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<p><font face="Verdana">Not in my opinion Vincent, I would even say
that it makes it more clear if accompanied with a good
definition. I would say shrubbery creates more confusion, as it
refers specifically to a gardening concept where it says it
should contain a path. It is also not a common term used in
common language in most English speaking countries. I even
doubt, since it's British cultural history, it has an equivalent
in any other language, which might cause translation issues for
our wiki pages.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">This in my opinion is not the case for
shrub. To my research scrub is more commonly used to describe
biomes and mostly in the scientific world. <br>
Since it long history and common use it existed in OSM, and due
to the lack of an alternative shrubs it was used also to map the
shrubs as you describe in your proposal.<br>
Last year the UN started a very large project with the UN
mappers to map natural features in the DRC and some neighbouring
countries. This will give us landcover, or natural mapping as
you wish, to cover nearly 1/3th of the continent. Scrub is used
in that project consistently to map all land with scrub and
shrubs, even in villages. Urbanised areas are mapped using
landuse=residential. This project aims at mapping large areas.
There was still a gap for detailed mapping in regard to urban
areas and villages. So also in this context I see your proposal
as a valuable and justified addition, but I think no one in
these projects will go and search for a "shrubbery" tag.<br>
In my opinion, if not perfect, the best term seen so far with
the least objections, we should go for it.</font></p>
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<p><font face="Verdana">Greetings,</font></p>
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<font face="Verdana">Bert Araali</font>
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But is shrubs not too confusing with the existing tags "scrub"
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<p><font face="Verdana">Well noticed Vincent and appreciated
correction. Let's name it natural=shrub<u><b>s</b></u>.
Sounds perfect to me and fits in the overall tagging scheme.
Sorry for the confusion.</font></p>
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<p><font face="Verdana">Greetings,</font></p>
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Thanks for the reply.</div>
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According to wiki, natural=shrub already exists to map
individual shrubs (just like natural=tree): <a
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originalsrc="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural=shrub"
shash="cYkpg9gxAdkMtASoptsIRRtKHyitpdiIRwcLAM9N+QFzubcByqN9a1Y09H/se/3Nx/1Vmpoz5okzLK5HnnYUW9r/A2JlL5Qm1pwOdlOXMQ2MF/ur++DTDgH2djtuSRNnUHn1ToP2hgt6meLFl/fX2i9jafhcB2fqSysRzPIgLyY="
id="LPlnk141160" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural=shrub</a> .
So, if at all shrubbery should be renamed, it should be
renamed to natural=shrubs in my opinion.</div>
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About the definition, I didn't knew a better way to define
the tag. This definition by you seems also fine to me:
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"a group of shrubs or bushes, characterized by stems with
mostly a woody appearance and branches appearing at or
close to the ground. In some cases the stem(s) are not
woody like f.i. in most cacti and some low growing
bamboos.". I personally wouldn't add exact height
definitions in the definition. I would prefer to supply
some images and text on which the mapper can decide
whether something is heath, shrubs|shrubbery or
tree|forest|wood.</span></div>
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