<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I don't understand why we should create a new tag under natural=* for this type of land. We already have natural=scrub, which some people use for managed areas of shrubs.<div><br></div><div>If that is not acceptable, then the best option is to use landuse=* or leisure=*, which are the two keys currently used for areas of artificially planted or highly managed vegetation, e.g.:</div><div><br></div><div>garden, park, lawn (grass), flowerbed, meadow, allotments, plant_nursery, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't see a benefit to having two different values under the same key, one of which means 'natural or semi-natural shrubland' and the other which means 'managed shrubs'. This will just cause confusion.</div><div><br></div><div>Hence my prior suggestion of landuse=shrubs, though I would consider leisure=shrubs this common use of the key "landuse=*" is anathema.</div><div><br></div><div>- Joseph EiIsenberg</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:36 PM Vincent van Duijnhoven <<a href="mailto:vvanduijnhoven@outlook.com">vvanduijnhoven@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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2) Use natural=shrubbery which according to the definition seems to cover everything I was trying to get covered with the proposal.</div>
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In the coming days, I will also work on the definition in the proposal based on all the feedback provided.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I would vote yes for either, but the issue with shrubs vs shrubbery, is that shrubs seems to exclude elements of landscaping that are not strictly a shrub, but are part of an overall landscaped area, such as a mulch bed or non-shrub plants. </div>
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<div>Yep, me :-)</div>
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