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<p><font face="Verdana">Sorry Brian, but I do think this is a fair
assessment.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">What do you call "burried". Our wiki is very
open and accessible in my point of view to all "fork" highway
tagging: see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging</a>
and specific for highway tagging <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence</a>.
Also for the US.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">I am not contesting that you made a big
effort to contact local community pages, including the US, but
that you were a bit too enthusiastic to consider it as a general
or more general (because it could apply in USA and most of
Europe). Most of the world, unfortunately, still not most of
the OSM community is outside of the US and Europe.<br>
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In your enthusiasm you considered this maybe as a general
applicable variant, but seen the large number of variants that
appear in this discussion in a very short time, seems to prove
the contrary in my eyes.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Greetings,</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Bert Araali<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/02/2021 22:44, Brian M.
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<p><span style="font-family:Verdana">In my opinion the US
group, requesting for the amendment and clarification in
the general description look at it from a too narrow
local perspective. No where does it explicitly say that
a track cannot be used for paved roads, nowhere does it
say that highway=service roads should be paved. That
was like this even before we had the surface=* tag.</span></p>
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<div>This is not a fair assessment.</div>
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<div>I started the initial discussion on this over in talk-us
after it became apparent from talking with other US mappers
that the wiki did not reflect actual US usage. The goal of
the wiki is to describe how tags are actually being applied
(descriptive approach), and, where it exists, document
community consensus on prescriptive recommendations to
mappers on how tagging should be applied.</div>
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<div>At the time I believed that the US approach was unique
among the world, and the perpetuated result of a 2007 road
network import that assigned highway=track to certain
categories of roads. So the goal was simply to document
that this differing usage existed, and certainly not to
change (or "amend") the definition to impose one regional
interpretation on the world. But similarly, it would be
intolerable for an entire country's usage to be buried in
such a way that the main global page would be at odds with
that national usage.</div>
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<div>Through this community dialogue (both here, on talk-us,
and in predecessor local community conversations), and
through a series of constructive wiki edits, I believe we
are now much closer to representing, in that wiki page, how
this tag is being used -- at least as it applies to North
America and Europe. So the goal here is not to narrow the
definitions and descriptions, but rather to have them
accurately describe global tagging. I would strongly be in
favor of additional text, clarification, and/or prominently
placed links, to ensure that the page is also accurately
reflecting usage in Africa (or any other region), and to not
bury that information on an obscure regional-specific page,
unless all regional interpretations are similarly forked
off.</div>
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<div>If we find that the usage worldwide is too different from
place to place, it could also be appropriate to say
something more generic like "this is the lowest
classification of road, and its exact usage varies by region
(list of links)". This is the approach that was taken for
highway=trunk, correctly recognizing that a trunk road in
Uganda would have very different observable characteristics
from a trunk road in Germany.</div>
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