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<p><font face="Verdana">I agree, no one is arguing that that is the
way it is defined, however historically and locally seen the
examples given here it is perceived and practised in that sense.<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><font face="Verdana">That said, I've
never seen a paved way that I would tag as a track.</font></blockquote>
</font>Depends of what you consider as pavement. I have seen many
tracks where f.i. only the tracks themselves are paved. In
between the individual tracks you remain with unpaved surfaces. Do
we call them paved or unpaved ? I've also seen tracks where some
form of open tiles is used to allow seepage of rain and
stabilising the underlying ground surface during f.i. wet seasons
and preventing them to turn into giant unstable mud-pools or
complete removal of compacted surface layers due to water run-off
during tropical very intensive rain storms. Should we consider
that as pavement ? Actually, I am quite happy with the provided
grading system in tracks, if not in all cases, at least in the
majority it works for us locally.</p>
<p>Greetings,</p>
<p>Bert Araali<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/02/2021 22:02, brad wrote:<br>
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I don't think anyone is arguing <font face="Verdana">'that a
track cannot be used for paved roads and ... highway=service
roads should be paved'. stevea simply suggested that that was
how he used to do it. That said, I've never seen a paved way
that I would tag as a track.</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/26/21 11:15 AM, Bert -Araali-
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<p><font face="Verdana">Of course, well noticed Christoph, thank
you for clarifying I mixed it up in that sentence. Perfectly
correct how we apply it in Africa.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Also in support of Florian's statement.
Exactly that is how we applied it in Africa, but there are
more countries where this general principle is applied
successfully, like South-America ans most Asian countries.<br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">In my opinion the US group, requesting
for the amendment and clarification in the general
description look at it from a too narrow local perspective.
No where does it explicitly say that a track cannot be used
for paved roads, nowhere does it say that highway=service
roads should be paved. That was like this even before we
had the surface=* tag.<br>
We use highway=service tag for any road that is not intended
for general public use, very clear and worked sofar in
thousands of applications worldwide.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Tracks could be improved, and should,
and is, to be used on any road which doesn't fall under any
other classification and is intended, either in full, or
partially for public use. Highway=service for any road
where it is not for public use, and the access is restrained
by some access restrictions (preferable to be tagged
separately) or because it's located in an area with access
restrictions or private property. We should not consider it
as being by definition in an agricultural or rural context.
For example: a highway that is intended for firefighting
access in a publicly accessible part of a forest, where at
the same time it is used for hiking by the public, will be a
track. The same highway at some part might enter a private
part of the same forest, it is not accessible for the
general public, so there yo split it and it becomes a
highway=service.<br>
Regardless if it is paved or not, the public factor is the
distinguishing factor in these case, meaning, the functional
classification.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Another example is that a publicly
accessible track, unpaved, which might be paved over time,
if the pure fact that it becomes paved without changing it's
socio-economic character or functionality, remains a track.<br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">Greetings,</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Bert Araali<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/02/2021 19:13, Christoph
Hormann wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">The standard highway tagging is mainly based on the physical
appearance. Not the functional or just partly the socio-economic
importance.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">The opposite is the case - standard highway tagging - with the exception
of highway=motorway - is almost purely functional in OSM. There are
some exceptions from that in local practice (like distinction between
highway=trunk and highway=primary in Germany for example). But overall
all of the main road classes are overwhelmingly used with a functional
semantic delineation. This is also something data users (both
cartographic and routing) massively rely on.
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