<div dir="ltr">On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 at 20:39, Georg <<a href="mailto:georg2016@nurfuerspam.de">georg2016@nurfuerspam.de</a>> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
As fas as I saw on yodel's website, they do only offer to pick up<br>
parcels - this is just a fraction of the services that are commonly<br>
offered by the post/courier/logistics/whateverYouCallThem partner shops<br>
in DE, SE etc.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As far as I know, Yodel only handles parcels. Other companies, such as<br></div><div>Whistl <a href="https://www.whistl.co.uk/about-us">https://www.whistl.co.uk/about-us</a> do letters and parcels (please</div><div>don't ask me to explain Whistl's corporate marketing blurb, I can't</div><div>decipher it myself).<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I understood that you "just" reject that the word "post" is part of the<br>
key name because that word's British English meaning does not describe<br>
that thing we want to descibe/tag, and British English is the reference<br>
for OSM.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>But it's also true in Germany. You point out that German mappers are</div><div>reluctant to call these places post offices. Would you call one of</div><div>these places a post office if it was a shop within a shop? Would you</div><div>call it a post office if it occupied the entire building and sold no</div><div>items/services unrelated to letters, parcels, etc?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
English is not my mother tongue (just like for others involved in thr<br>
proposal), hence, I don't know the fine differences between "post" and<br>
"courier". <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courier" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courier</a> explains<br>
> Couriers are distinguished from ordinary mail services by features<br>
> such as speed, security, tracking, signature, specialization and<br>
> individualization of express services, and swift delivery times,<br>
> which are optional for most everyday mail services. As a premium<br>
> service, couriers are usually more expensive than standard mail<br>
> services,<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sometimes wikipedia over-simplifies. In the past couriers were</div><div>more expensive but offered some additional features. These days</div><div>some couriers compete on price rather than features.</div><div><br></div><div>If you want an alternative term (but also more ambiguous) there is</div><div>"carrier." Too ambiguous for my liking.</div><div><br></div><div>There is also "logistics" perhaps combined with other words. I</div><div>don't like that because transporting military supplies is also</div><div>logistics. It's not restricted to letters/parcels. Any sort of</div><div>supply transport is logistics. The company that delivers</div><div>beer to my local pub is a logistics company (DHL) that</div><div>also delivers parcels.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">So what other, less misleading wording could we use? Logistics, Delivery<br>
services, Messengers etc.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Looking through various wikipedia articles, I found that "mail" refers</div><div>to a system of physically transporting postcards, letters and parcels.</div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail</a> Wikipedia considers mail to be</div><div> synonymous with "post." </div><div><br></div><div>I haven't pondered it deeply, but (right now) "mail" seems like a good</div><div>prefix. Unlike "post" there is no implicit confusion with "post office."</div><div>Yes, the delivery arm of our official postal service is called "Royal</div><div>Mail" but they don't have shops you can walk into (although larger</div><div>towns will have a sorting office you can collect parcels from if</div><div>they can't be delivered).<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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First, we did set as basic rule that we do not map for renderers.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The rule is not to TAG for renderers. Some of us think that the</div><div>rule is badly worded and we shouldn't mistag for renderers.</div><div>Don't map a residential road as a motorway because you want it</div><div>rendered as a thicker, different-coloured line on the map. But you</div><div>do expect a residential road to render in some manner at higher</div><div>resolutions on non-specialized carto. If you expect that data</div><div>consumers would want to be able to look at a map to find X</div><div>then it is helpful if X is rendered. If you don't expect people to</div><div>look for it, why map it?<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
Last, many data consumers like <a href="http://maps.me" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">maps.me</a>, OsmAnd, Locus,... but also OSM<br>
map website are able to search + filter for tags, so you can find it.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm looking at the OSM map right now. There's an input box to search for</div><div>names, nothing to search for post offices. I can find post offices that</div><div>are named "Post Office" but there are a lot of those (the first result I</div><div>got was in Nigeria). Is there a feature on the standard map I'm</div><div>unaware of?</div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div></div></div>