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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/02/2021 16:20, Paul Allen wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 at 20:39, Georg <<a
          href="mailto:georg2016@nurfuerspam.de" moz-do-not-send="true">georg2016@nurfuerspam.de</a>>
        wrote:<br>
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            As fas as I saw on yodel's website, they do only offer to
            pick up<br>
            parcels - this is just a fraction of the services that are
            commonly<br>
            offered by the post/courier/logistics/whateverYouCallThem
            partner shops<br>
            in DE, SE etc.<br>
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          <div>As far as I know, Yodel only handles parcels.  Other
            companies, such as<br>
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          <div>Whistl <a href="https://www.whistl.co.uk/about-us"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.whistl.co.uk/about-us</a>
            do letters and parcels (please</div>
          <div>don't ask me to explain Whistl's corporate marketing
            blurb, I can't</div>
          <div>decipher it myself).<br>
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            I understood that you "just" reject that the word "post" is
            part of the<br>
            key name because that word's British English meaning does
            not describe<br>
            that thing we want to descibe/tag, and British English is
            the reference<br>
            for OSM.</blockquote>
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          <div>But it's also true in Germany.  You point out that German
            mappers are</div>
          <div>reluctant to call these places post offices.  Would you
            call one of</div>
          <div>these places a post office if it was a shop within a
            shop?  Would you</div>
          <div>call it a post office if it occupied the entire building
            and sold no</div>
          <div>items/services unrelated to letters, parcels, etc?</div>
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            English is not my mother tongue (just like for others
            involved in thr<br>
            proposal), hence, I don't know the fine differences between
            "post" and<br>
            "courier". <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courier"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courier</a>
            explains<br>
             > Couriers are distinguished from ordinary mail services
            by features<br>
             > such as speed, security, tracking, signature,
            specialization and<br>
             > individualization of express services, and swift
            delivery times,<br>
             > which are optional for most everyday mail services. As
            a premium<br>
             > service, couriers are usually more expensive than
            standard mail<br>
             > services,<br>
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          <div><br>
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          <div>Sometimes wikipedia over-simplifies.  In the past
            couriers were</div>
          <div>more expensive but offered some additional features. 
            These days</div>
          <div>some couriers compete on price rather than features.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>If you want an alternative term (but also more ambiguous)
            there is</div>
          <div>"carrier."  Too ambiguous for my liking.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>There is also "logistics" perhaps combined with other
            words.  I</div>
          <div>don't like that because transporting military supplies is
            also</div>
          <div>logistics.  It's not restricted to letters/parcels.  Any
            sort of</div>
          <div>supply transport is logistics.  The company that delivers</div>
          <div>beer to my local pub is a logistics company (DHL) that</div>
          <div>also delivers parcels.<br>
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            rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">So what other, less
            misleading wording could we use? Logistics, Delivery<br>
            services, Messengers etc.<br>
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          <div>Looking through various wikipedia articles, I found that
            "mail" refers</div>
          <div>to a system of physically transporting postcards, letters
            and parcels.</div>
          <div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail</a> 
            Wikipedia considers mail to be</div>
          <div> synonymous with "post." </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I haven't pondered it deeply, but (right now) "mail"
            seems like a good</div>
          <div>prefix.  Unlike "post" there is no implicit confusion
            with "post office."</div>
          <div>Yes, the delivery arm of our official postal service is
            called "Royal</div>
          <div>Mail" but they don't have shops you can walk into
            (although larger</div>
          <div>towns will have a sorting office you can collect parcels
            from if</div>
          <div>they can't be delivered).<br>
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            <br>
            First, we did set as basic rule that we do not map for
            renderers.<br>
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          </div>
          <div>The rule is not to TAG for renderers.  Some of us think
            that the</div>
          <div>rule is badly worded and we shouldn't mistag for
            renderers.</div>
          <div>Don't map a residential road as a motorway because you
            want it</div>
          <div>rendered as a thicker, different-coloured line on the
            map.  But you</div>
          <div>do expect a residential road to render in some manner at
            higher</div>
          <div>resolutions on non-specialized carto.  If you expect that
            data</div>
          <div>consumers would want to be able to look at a map to find
            X</div>
          <div>then it is helpful if X is rendered.  If you don't expect
            people to</div>
          <div>look for it, why map it?<br>
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            Last, many data consumers like <a href="http://maps.me"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">maps.me</a>,
            OsmAnd, Locus,... but also OSM<br>
            map website are able to search + filter for tags, so you can
            find it.<br>
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          <div>I'm looking at the OSM map right now.  There's an input
            box to search for</div>
          <div>names, nothing to search for post offices.  I can find
            post offices that</div>
          <div>are named "Post Office" but there are a lot of those (the
            first result I</div>
          <div>got was in Nigeria).  Is there a feature on the standard
            map I'm</div>
          <div>unaware of?</div>
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    Nominatim uses the search bow to look for values in many fields, not
    just the name field.<br>
    <p>The list of supported keys, where it looks for these values can
      be found here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/osm-search/Nominatim/blob/master/settings/import-extratags.style">https://github.com/osm-search/Nominatim/blob/master/settings/import-extratags.style</a>.</p>
    <p>As in regard to post-offices, amenity=post_office, is not
      searched as such:</p>
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              <td id="LC133" class="blob-code blob-code-inner
                js-file-line"> "keys" : ["amenity"],</td>
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              <td id="LC134" class="blob-code blob-code-inner
                js-file-line"> "values" : {</td>
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              <td id="LC135" class="blob-code blob-code-inner
                js-file-line"> "restaurant" : "main,operator",</td>
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          </tbody>
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              <td id="LC136" class="blob-code blob-code-inner
                js-file-line"> "fuel" : "main,operator"</td>
            </tr>
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          </tbody>
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              <td id="LC137" class="blob-code blob-code-inner
                js-file-line"> }</td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
            </tr>
          </tbody>
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              <td id="LC138" class="blob-code blob-code-inner
                js-file-line">},</td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
            </tr>
          </tbody>
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              <td id="LC139" class="blob-code blob-code-inner
                js-file-line">{</td>
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              <td id="LC140" class="blob-code blob-code-inner
                js-file-line"> "keys" : ["aeroway", "amenity", "club",
                "craft", "leisure",</td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
            </tr>
          </tbody>
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              <td id="LC141" class="blob-code blob-code-inner
                js-file-line"> "office", "mountain_pass"],</td>
            </tr>
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          <tbody>
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              <td id="LC142" class="blob-code blob-code-inner
                js-file-line"> "values" : {</td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
            </tr>
          </tbody>
        </table>
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              <td id="LC143" class="blob-code blob-code-inner
                js-file-line"> "no" : "skip",</td>
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              <td id="LC144" class="blob-code blob-code-inner
                js-file-line"> "" : "main"</td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
            </tr>
          </tbody>
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              <td id="LC145" class="blob-code blob-code-inner
                js-file-line"> }</td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
            </tr>
          </tbody>
        </table>
        },
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              <td id="LC132" class="blob-code blob-code-inner
                js-file-line">{</td>
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      I didn't program it nor a specialist but as seen from the aboce,
      Nominatim will search for the value you eneter in the search box
      in:</p>
    <p>the main name key and in the operator key, only when the amenity
      is a restaurant or fuel.<br>
      In all other cases (except amenity=no) it will look for the value
      only in the name key.<br>
      There is no specific way as far as I can see to look for the value
      post_office in the amenity key.</p>
    <p>If you enter post_office as a search value, it comes up with all
      POI's where post_office is contained in the name or where mappers
      have contained it in another key, like I am seeing lots of results
      where addr:housename contains Post office or variant of that
      value.  Done this way to map for a specific data consumer,
      Nominatim ?<br>
      The Africans, as usually, solved it by putting the name Post
      Office in the name key which is also not good practice. But that
      is what users do, being creative if the proposed or approved
      tagging doesn't give a feasible solution, for data processing, for
      rendering or for mapping purposes, that's the mess you get.<br>
    </p>
    <p>But please, correct me if I am wrong.<br>
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          <div>-- <br>
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          <div>Paul</div>
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