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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thank you to everyone who has responded so far.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The consensus has been overwhelmingly that a clubhouse is not, by default, a community centre and the current tagging scheme is therefore inappropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’d like to get the widest range of views possible on this, so will create a proposal on this topic to see if we can agree on amenity=clubhouse.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Nathan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Peter Elderson <pelderson@gmail.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> 01 April 2021 20:06<br>
<b>To:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tagging] Clubhouse vs Community Centre<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Same in Nederland.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mvg Peter Elderson<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Op 1 apr. 2021 om 19:38 heeft Paul Allen <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com">pla16021@gmail.com</a>> het volgende geschreven:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:08, Robin Burek <<a href="mailto:robin.burek@gmx.de">robin.burek@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 01.04.2021 um 16:38 schrieb Marc_marc:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN">Here you have to clearly distinguish between "club" (= the place where the club meets regularly) and a place that is a clubhouse / "club_home". One is general, but it can also be a school, a restaurant, a clubhouse or whatever.
All places where a club can meet. Several clubs meet in some places. A clubhouse or, as the tagging provides, "community_centre = club_home" is a subset, but not identical to the entirety of all clubs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is not how it works in British English.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In British English, a community centre is for a geographic community. It<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">is available for hire and may also do things organized by some sort of<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">community organizing group. There may be lectures on local flora and fauna;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">a projector may show films; there may be demonstrations of (say) flower<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">arranging or cooking. There might even be a club which hires it on a regular<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">basis, such as a chess club holding matches there. Whether or<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">not one club uses it, whether or not many clubs use it, it is NOT<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">a club house.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In British English a club house is for sole use by a specific club.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It may have equipment, books or trophies of that club. So the<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">club house for a chess club would have boards, chess pieces,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">books about chess and maybe one or two trophies. These are<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">not community centres.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some clubs also sell alcoholic beverages to members and<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">their guests. These include my local rugby club, my local<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">golf club and working men's clubs. These are not community<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">centres.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is a fact of English that words used in some combinations do not<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">always have the same meaning as the individual words used in<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">isolation. One cannot analyse "community centre" by looking<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">at the meaning of "community" and the meaning of "centre."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul<o:p></o:p></p>
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