<div dir="ltr">There is an important distinction that seems to be missed here, as to whether we would tag a club as a whole (the grounds, and multiple features and buildings within it), as separate from a clubhouse, i.e., a specific building operated by the club as a headquarters and gathering place. This is particularly important in cases where the club is not simply contained in a single building but rather is a small campus. It does seem weird to me to tag the grounds of a facility as a community center (because we think of community centers as buildings) but the club_home sub-tag seems to work for this purpose.<div><br></div><div>It seems to me that even if you come up with the perfect tagging for a clubhouse, you should not take away the render-supported tagging currently used for a club's grounds. So either you need to solve club AND clubhouse tagging simultaneously, or solve just one of them and leave the other alone.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 1:08 PM nathan case <<a href="mailto:nathancase@outlook.com">nathancase@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Agreed with everything Paul says.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Clearly not a community centre, hence my proposal. But sounds like you have done the best you can with the currently documented options.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>As for building=clubhouse, yes it’s a tricky one. I’ve suggested deprecating it since, as Paul says, it’s a building use not a type. However, there might be an argument to make that, if the building
was built as a clubhouse, for the sole purpose of being a clubhouse, then perhaps it should be building=clubhouse. Not sure though!
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tagging] Clubhouse vs Community Centre<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 16:42, Brian M. Sperlongano <<a href="mailto:zelonewolf@gmail.com" target="_blank">zelonewolf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I tried to figure out how to tag a local club that I am familiar with. It is a Portuguese-American heritage club, and the facility has a building, a soccer field, and a parking lot. The building contains a restaurant and bar (the restaurant
being open to the public only once a week on Friday evenings). Upstairs in the building is a meeting room / banquet hall.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If it is mostly members-only, or members + guests, that makes it a club. We<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">don't (yet) have a good tag for clubs in general (but you have made me aware<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">that we do already have a good tag for social clubs).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For the overall facility (the grounds) I ended up going with amenity=community_centre + community_centre=club_home. I would not call this facility a "community center" in local vernacular but the wiki definition seems to fit in with what
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<p class="MsoNormal">I wouldn't call it a community centre in British vernacular, either.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For the building (club house?) I tagged it as building=clubhouse + amenity=social_club. Though I am told by my British counterparts that it is TOTALLY WRONG to use amenity=social_club outside of the UK...<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The wiki says these things are mainly found in the UK and parts of its<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">former empire. That doesn't mean they don't exist elsewhere, just that<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">outside of those geographic bounds what you're mapping may not fit<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">the definition, so read the definition closely. In the UK, many of these<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">have names like British Legion, Fubar Working Men's Club or<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Fubb Miner's Welfare, which makes it easier to decide.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">but reading the definition it seemed a reasonable fit based on my personal knowledge of the place.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Going by your description, it fits very well.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> There is no wiki page for building=clubhouse (though there are >600 usages), but the combination felt like a cleaner description.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cue the argument about function vs form. I tend to go with form. If it's<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">recognizable as an X, it's building=x, otherwise building=yes. Others<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">say only building=yes is valid.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul<u></u><u></u></p>
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