<div dir="ltr">I tried to figure out how to tag a local club that I am familiar with. It is a Portuguese-American heritage club, and the facility has a building, a soccer field, and a parking lot. The building contains a restaurant and bar (the restaurant being open to the public only once a week on Friday evenings). Upstairs in the building is a meeting room / banquet hall.<div><br></div><div>For the overall facility (the grounds) I ended up going with amenity=community_centre + community_centre=club_home. I would not call this facility a "community center" in local vernacular but the wiki definition seems to fit in with what this is.</div><div><br></div><div>For the building (club house?) I tagged it as building=clubhouse + amenity=social_club. Though I am told by my British counterparts that it is TOTALLY WRONG to use amenity=social_club outside of the UK... but reading the definition it seemed a reasonable fit based on my personal knowledge of the place. There is no wiki page for building=clubhouse (though there are >600 usages), but the combination felt like a cleaner description.</div><div><br></div><div>I added an additional node for the restaurant and added the once a week opening hours.</div><div><br></div><div>Here is what I ended up tagging:</div><div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/41.90015/-71.39270">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/41.90015/-71.39270</a><br></div><div>(club web site: <a href="http://www.lusitanaclub.org/">http://www.lusitanaclub.org/</a>)</div><div><br></div><div>I welcome suggestions about better ways to tag this facility or how the proposal under development might improve upon it.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 5:14 AM nathan case <<a href="mailto:nathancase@outlook.com">nathancase@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank you to everyone who has responded so far.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The consensus has been overwhelmingly that a clubhouse is not, by default, a community centre and the current tagging scheme is therefore inappropriate.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I’d like to get the widest range of views possible on this, so will create a proposal on this topic to see if we can agree on amenity=clubhouse.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Many thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Nathan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tagging] Clubhouse vs Community Centre<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mvg Peter Elderson<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Op 1 apr. 2021 om 19:38 heeft Paul Allen <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com" target="_blank">pla16021@gmail.com</a>> het volgende geschreven:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:08, Robin Burek <<a href="mailto:robin.burek@gmx.de" target="_blank">robin.burek@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 01.04.2021 um 16:38 schrieb Marc_marc:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN">Here you have to clearly distinguish between "club" (= the place where the club meets regularly) and a place that is a clubhouse / "club_home". One is general, but it can also be a school, a restaurant, a clubhouse or whatever.
All places where a club can meet. Several clubs meet in some places. A clubhouse or, as the tagging provides, "community_centre = club_home" is a subset, but not identical to the entirety of all clubs.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is not how it works in British English.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In British English, a community centre is for a geographic community. It<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">is available for hire and may also do things organized by some sort of<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">community organizing group. There may be lectures on local flora and fauna;<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">a projector may show films; there may be demonstrations of (say) flower<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">arranging or cooking. There might even be a club which hires it on a regular<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">basis, such as a chess club holding matches there. Whether or<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">not one club uses it, whether or not many clubs use it, it is NOT<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">a club house.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In British English a club house is for sole use by a specific club.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It may have equipment, books or trophies of that club. So the<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">club house for a chess club would have boards, chess pieces,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">books about chess and maybe one or two trophies. These are<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">not community centres.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some clubs also sell alcoholic beverages to members and<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">their guests. These include my local rugby club, my local<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">golf club and working men's clubs. These are not community<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">centres.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is a fact of English that words used in some combinations do not<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">always have the same meaning as the individual words used in<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">isolation. One cannot analyse "community centre" by looking<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">at the meaning of "community" and the meaning of "centre."<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul<u></u><u></u></p>
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