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<p><font face="Verdana">I am completely against mapping something
that is not verifiable or historical (disputed or not as being
historic).</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">With verifiable I mean with local knowledge
and some sign of ground truth.<br>
The presence of the rock itself does not signify that it was
used for this purpose. The (historic) mass aspect is a use
case. So if there is no inscriptions or some kind of permanent
marking that it was used for this purpose in the past I would
not map it in the regular OSM, it belongs in <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.openhistoricalmap.org">https://www.openhistoricalmap.org</a>.<br>
If we would start mapping these use cases we should ask
ourselves where this is going to take us ? What more use cases
are we going to map which solely exist in the minds or
literature. It doesn't make much sense in mapping the real
world, only clutter the map.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">In case their is some physical trace of
usage of the rock for this purpose, I would support it and it
would be justified. However minor or vague it is, but it needs
to be a combination of both verifiable as in local knowledge as
some evidence of the use (not the physical natural feature as
the existence of the rock).</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Greetings,</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Bert Araali<br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">Should be mapped on historic.osm .</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/04/2021 18:21, Anne-Karoline
Distel wrote:<br>
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<p>Just to be clear - the rock itself is not sacred, it was just
safer to celebrate mass in the open air with guards posted
around rather than meeting in a barn or church ruin, because you
could just flee across the fields or into the woods in case
British soldiers were approaching to avoid being killed.</p>
<p>And I haven't found out whether there might still be annual
mass being said in some locations, especially when there is a
holy well nearby.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 at 13:30, Mateusz Konieczny
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<div>to clarify:<br>
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<div>I am 100% fine with tagging existing and visible
remains/ruins<br>
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<div>So you won't have a problem with tagging a mass rock.
Which tags get</div>
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<div>I am not accepting mapping things of completely and
utterly<br>
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<div>gone, without any trace whatsoever - and without
danger of<br>
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<div>The rocks are still there. And can be mapped as
natural=rock</div>
<div>(or bare_rock or whatever). Plus some other tags.<br>
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<div>Actually, a rock doesn't have to have been used for
masses to be</div>
<div>sacred. And it may still be in use. And it's
mappable.<br>
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href="http://stdogmaels.org/the-blessing-stone-and-landing-stage/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://stdogmaels.org/the-blessing-stone-and-landing-stage/</a></div>
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<div>If we come up with a sensible set of tags for holy
rocks, I'll</div>
<div>map it.</div>
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<div>Paul</div>
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