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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Apr 16, 2021, 09:06 by tagging@openstreetmap.org:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div><br></div><blockquote><div>16 apr. 2021 kl. 08:41 skrev Volker Schmidt <voschix@gmail.com>:<br></div><div><br></div><div>I acknowledge there is a problem. I started out putting "gravel" on many maintained unpaved roads, only to look up the wiki some years later. I know use "fine_gravel" (taginfo 170k uses), which broadly corrisponds to the "gravel" of "gravel bikes". <br></div><div>So, yes, most of my "gravel" roads are really "fine_gravel", but I have no idea how widespread it is, and also how much it depends of the mapper's mother tongue.<br></div><div>I would not redefine the value "gravel", rather put a warning on the page, pointing out that we have this wide spread confusion, and invite mappers to consider "fine_gravel”.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Just to pick an example close to me, Sweden has about 47000 highway=*,surface=gravel. In my entire life, I don’t think I have seen a single road corresponding to the (old; it seems to have changed now) wiki description of ”gravel”<br></div></blockquote><div>Yes, I changed it (after talk-au mailing list discussion revealed that wiki definition completely<br></div><div>mismatches actual mapping, see <br></div><div><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-March/thread.html#14439">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-March/thread.html#14439</a><br></div><div>and replies.<br></div><div>It started from what I expected to be pointless confirmation that my edit at Wiki was correct<br></div><div>- turned out that it was problematic due to basing it on what Wiki claimed)<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>, but I have seen a lot of unpaved roads, so I’d guess about 40000 of those have the wrong surface value. They should probably be ”compacted” or ”fine_gravel”, but I’m not enough of a civil engineer to tell which, and I must confess that I have taken to mapping them simply as ”unpaved” because of this.<br></div></blockquote><div>I would encourage posting images and asking for help - surface=unpaved may be also surface=sand<br></div><div>which is nasty for cyclists.<br></div><div><br></div><div>surface=compacted/surface=fine_gravel tag is very useful if you want to use way and you have<br></div><div>bicycle/stroller/wheelchair/etc<br></div><div><br></div> </body>
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