<div dir="auto">Sometimes it is useful to consult Wikipedia: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_blazing" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_blazing</a><div dir="auto">This article states that Waymarking and Trail Blazing are about routes being waymarked with man-made signs.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">A specific situation where a cycling or hiking route is in a limbo between fully existing (all the road infrastructure is in place and the entire route is waymarked) and under construction (state=construction) or only proposed (state=proposed) is a state where all the highway work is finished, but no waymarking has been applied yet. That state could be described by a normal route relation with trailblazed=no or waymarked=no. This situation is not infrequent here, as often the roadwork is an independent contract from applying waymarks.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 14:42 Jan Michel, <<a href="mailto:jan@mueschelsoft.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jan@mueschelsoft.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 02.06.21 12:49, Peter Elderson wrote:<br>
> * If a route is not waymarked, it should not be in OSM (with a few <br>
> special exceptions). So you do not need trailblazed=* on a route. Just <br>
> symbol and/or osmc:symbol.<br>
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You're right that a route shouldn't be trailblazed=no. But trailblazed=* <br>
is also used to tag the kind of waymarking. Cairns or poles should be <br>
sufficient to count as waymarking of a route, but can't be described by <br>
symbol tags.<br>
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> * Some ways can only be seen through some kind of markings. Mostly these <br>
> markings are not symbols, but poles or cairns. The traiblazed=* tag <br>
> addresses that.<br>
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In my opinion, trailblazing and visiblity of the path are two different <br>
things. And indeed we also have trail_visiblity as a separate tag.<br>
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> This tagging instruction is clear enough, but the description " Markings on outdoor paths and trails by signs, markers, poles, cairns or in another way. " does not reflect that. I think the description should be changed.<br>
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I agree.<br>
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Jan<br>
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