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    This comes under 'too subjective to classify' for me. Disabilities
    vary greatly. Describe the physical attributes of the ways &
    barriers using the numerous, well established tags & leave it to
    individuals to decide for themselves.<br>
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    Cheers<br>
    DaveF  <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/06/2021 14:21, Paul Allen wrote:<br>
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        <div>I'm starting to map a new (ish) nature reserve which has
          permissive access footpaths (that</div>
        <div> bit is easy), and some of those footpaths are suitable for
          wheelchair users.  I'm guessing</div>
        <div>some will also be accessible to mobility scooters (I will
          ask them, but I don't expect sensible</div>
        <div>answers).  Various rambling groups are pushing for better
          disabled access on footpaths</div>
        <div> and bridleways, and UK legislation almost requires it.
          So...</div>
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        <div>1) How do we tag that a footpath/bridleway is legally (and
          practically) accessible to</div>
        <div>wheelchairs and, possibly, mobility scooters?  I think they
          need to be covered</div>
        <div>independently as legislation doesn't draw a distinction but
          the situation on the</div>
        <div>ground might permit wheelchairs but not mobility scooters. 
          So wheelchair=yes</div>
        <div>probably isn't the right way to go.<br>
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        <div>2) The nature reserve states that some of the paths have
          "shallow gradients" and</div>
        <div>"compacted gravel surfaces suited to wheelchair users." 
          Did we ever settle on a</div>
        <div>definition of gravel type that would fit this?</div>
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        <div>3) Pedestrian access is via "a mobility kissing gate which
          is RADAR-key friendly."</div>
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        <div>Video of somebody in a mobility scooter using a RADAR-key
          mobility kissing</div>
        <div>gate: <a
            href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVy3aWRtS5Y"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVy3aWRtS5Y</a>
          (easy in one direction, not</div>
        <div> so easy in the other).<br>
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        <div>RADAR is now officially known as the National Key Scheme,
          but everyone</div>
        <div>still calls it RADAR.  There is an equivalent (but not
          physically interchangeable)</div>
        <div>Euro Key used in Germany, Switzerland and a few other
          European countries.</div>
        <div>I thought we had tags for access key schemes, but my memory
          must be playing up.</div>
        <div>There are probably equivalent schemes elsewhere, so any
          tagging needs to</div>
        <div>distinguish between schemes - anyone expecting to open a UK
          RADAR lock</div>
        <div>with a Euro Key is going to be disappointed.  Something
          like a</div>
        <div>disability_access_key=* attribute?<br>
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        <div>RADAR: <a
href="https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/shop/official-and-only-genuine-radar-key"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/shop/official-and-only-genuine-radar-key</a><br>
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        <div>Euro Key: <a href="https://www.eurokey.ch/en/"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.eurokey.ch/en/</a> and<br>
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        <div><a
href="https://www.schwerbehindertenausweis.de/nachteilsausgleiche/mobilitaet-und-reisen/euroschluessel-fuer-behindertentoiletten"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.schwerbehindertenausweis.de/nachteilsausgleiche/mobilitaet-und-reisen/euroschluessel-fuer-behindertentoiletten</a></div>
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        <div>Section 20 of UK Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act
          1970:</div>
        <div><a
            href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1970/44/section/20"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1970/44/section/20</a></div>
        <div>It covers "invalid carriages" whether or not "mechanically
          propelled" (wheelchairs</div>
        <div>and mobility scooters) on footways; and defines "footway"
          as "a way which is a footway</div>
        <div>[sidewalk in OSM-speak], footpath or bridleway within the
          meaning of the Highways Act 1980."</div>
        <div>It doesn't say that footpaths and bridleways must be
          accessible to the disabled but states that</div>
        <div> "no statutory provision prohibiting or restricting the use
          of footways shall prohibit or restrict the</div>
        <div> use of that vehicle on a footway."  In practise, new
          footpaths are often constructed with</div>
        <div>disabled access in mind and existing gates/stiles are being
          replaced with disabled-friendly</div>
        <div>versions.</div>
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        <div>-- <br>
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        <div>Paul</div>
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        <div>-- <br>
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        <div>Paul</div>
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