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This comes under 'too subjective to classify' for me. Disabilities
vary greatly. Describe the physical attributes of the ways &
barriers using the numerous, well established tags & leave it to
individuals to decide for themselves.<br>
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Cheers<br>
DaveF <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/06/2021 14:21, Paul Allen wrote:<br>
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<div>I'm starting to map a new (ish) nature reserve which has
permissive access footpaths (that</div>
<div> bit is easy), and some of those footpaths are suitable for
wheelchair users. I'm guessing</div>
<div>some will also be accessible to mobility scooters (I will
ask them, but I don't expect sensible</div>
<div>answers). Various rambling groups are pushing for better
disabled access on footpaths</div>
<div> and bridleways, and UK legislation almost requires it.
So...</div>
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<div>1) How do we tag that a footpath/bridleway is legally (and
practically) accessible to</div>
<div>wheelchairs and, possibly, mobility scooters? I think they
need to be covered</div>
<div>independently as legislation doesn't draw a distinction but
the situation on the</div>
<div>ground might permit wheelchairs but not mobility scooters.
So wheelchair=yes</div>
<div>probably isn't the right way to go.<br>
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<div>2) The nature reserve states that some of the paths have
"shallow gradients" and</div>
<div>"compacted gravel surfaces suited to wheelchair users."
Did we ever settle on a</div>
<div>definition of gravel type that would fit this?</div>
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<div>3) Pedestrian access is via "a mobility kissing gate which
is RADAR-key friendly."</div>
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<div>Video of somebody in a mobility scooter using a RADAR-key
mobility kissing</div>
<div>gate: <a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVy3aWRtS5Y"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVy3aWRtS5Y</a>
(easy in one direction, not</div>
<div> so easy in the other).<br>
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<div>RADAR is now officially known as the National Key Scheme,
but everyone</div>
<div>still calls it RADAR. There is an equivalent (but not
physically interchangeable)</div>
<div>Euro Key used in Germany, Switzerland and a few other
European countries.</div>
<div>I thought we had tags for access key schemes, but my memory
must be playing up.</div>
<div>There are probably equivalent schemes elsewhere, so any
tagging needs to</div>
<div>distinguish between schemes - anyone expecting to open a UK
RADAR lock</div>
<div>with a Euro Key is going to be disappointed. Something
like a</div>
<div>disability_access_key=* attribute?<br>
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<div>RADAR: <a
href="https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/shop/official-and-only-genuine-radar-key"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/shop/official-and-only-genuine-radar-key</a><br>
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<div>Euro Key: <a href="https://www.eurokey.ch/en/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.eurokey.ch/en/</a> and<br>
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<div><a
href="https://www.schwerbehindertenausweis.de/nachteilsausgleiche/mobilitaet-und-reisen/euroschluessel-fuer-behindertentoiletten"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.schwerbehindertenausweis.de/nachteilsausgleiche/mobilitaet-und-reisen/euroschluessel-fuer-behindertentoiletten</a></div>
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<div>Section 20 of UK Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act
1970:</div>
<div><a
href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1970/44/section/20"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1970/44/section/20</a></div>
<div>It covers "invalid carriages" whether or not "mechanically
propelled" (wheelchairs</div>
<div>and mobility scooters) on footways; and defines "footway"
as "a way which is a footway</div>
<div>[sidewalk in OSM-speak], footpath or bridleway within the
meaning of the Highways Act 1980."</div>
<div>It doesn't say that footpaths and bridleways must be
accessible to the disabled but states that</div>
<div> "no statutory provision prohibiting or restricting the use
of footways shall prohibit or restrict the</div>
<div> use of that vehicle on a footway." In practise, new
footpaths are often constructed with</div>
<div>disabled access in mind and existing gates/stiles are being
replaced with disabled-friendly</div>
<div>versions.</div>
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<div>Paul</div>
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