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Exactly this.<br>
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When hiking for long miles and/or days, it's useful to know which
places are suitable to bathe/swim and normally used by people in the
wild. Of course I know I can enter the water everywhere, but I want
to know and visit places with trails that access them, where is
possible to take a rest and swim/bathe for a while.<br>
<br>
Regards.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Às 11:26 de 07/07/2021,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mail@marcos-martinez.net">mail@marcos-martinez.net</a> escreveu:<br>
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<p>Hi folks,</p>
<p>I fully understand the need for this tag.</p>
<p><em><span style="font-family: Verdana;">I do remember that in
most other countries in Europe the same applies, people are
free to access public waters unless signposted otherwise,
good idea or not. We don't need this tag.</span></em></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana;">-> This is not about
access rights, it is about highlighting specific spots which
stand out within its surroundings out and/or might be
difficult to find.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana;">Nobody would put this tag
on every meter along the Nile just because you CAN get into
the water there (which is obvious) but, for example, rather
pinpoint those spots along rivers that don't carry much water
and which have natural pools that allow your body to submerge.
Very useful when hiking...</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana;">Cheers,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana;">Marcos</span></p>
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<p>Am 07.07.2021 16:04, schrieb Gruebel:</p>
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<!-- head ignored --><!-- meta ignored --> Yes I agree with you
that it makes no sense to map every place where you could bathe.
This was not the purpose behind the proposal. The point is to
mark places that have become informal bathing places in the
area. There is no sign here. But if you are outside on a nice
day you will most likely find someone bathing there. If such a
place is used almost every day (in the summer), it leaves
traces. So if you want to check such a place, when you get there
on a nice day, you will see people bathing there and probably
see trails and other traces. If the water is used for other
things on the side, this is not a problem. The important thing
is that the place is perceived as a bathing place by the local
population. Even if this is not official.<br>
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Since there is no sign, the informel subtag is used. It
describes exactly that. A place or path that is not official but
has emerged as such. Paths through the forest that are marked
with informel=yes also have no signs and are usually not marked
on official maps. After your argumentation they would be also
not be verifiable. But if I am on the spot I can confirm the
path as such. The same would happen with informal bathing
places.<br>
<br>
I have the feeling that I have explained this very badly in the
proposal and many think I want to map every beautiful potential
bathing place. Is this correct?<br>
<br>
In this Google Image: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.google.de/maps/@46.8471591,7.3364987,3a,75y,121.54h,90t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipMBfFKJ12aGmSkoafV_AZuuYVpaFIVJTshfG9ou!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMBfFKJ12aGmSkoafV_AZuuYVpaFIVJTshfG9ou%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi0-ya329.90637-ro-0-fo100!7i11264!8i5632"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.google.de/maps/@46.8471591,7.3364987,3a,75y,121.54h,90t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipMBfFKJ12aGmSkoafV_AZuuYVpaFIVJTshfG9ou!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMBfFKJ12aGmSkoafV_AZuuYVpaFIVJTshfG9ou%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi0-ya329.90637-ro-0-fo100!7i11264!8i5632</a>
. It is exactly such an informal bathing place that I would like
to map. Since the picture was taken very early in the day there
are unfortunately no people present. But you can see traces of
the people who use the place as an informal bathing place. You
can see paths and several fireplaces. At noon there are almost
always several people bathing there. Nevertheless, no sign is
present and the place is not official.<br>
<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, I had adjusted something in my mails, therefore I
can not answer the other question directly, so I do this here
now. The question was:<br>
I'll ask the same question that I asked previously - when you
say "bathing place", are you talking about places where you bath
(wash yourself), or bathe (swim)?<br>
<br>
<br>
Places meant by the proposal go from bigger lakes to smaller
rivers (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.google.de/maps/@46.8471591,7.3364987,3a,75y,121.54h,90t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipMBfFKJ12aGmSkoafV_AZuuYVpaFIVJTshfG9ou!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMBfFKJ12aGmSkoafV_AZuuYVpaFIVJTshfG9ou%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi0-ya329.90637-ro-0-fo100!7i11264!8i5632"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.google.de/maps/@46.8471591,7.3364987,3a,75y,121.54h,90t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipMBfFKJ12aGmSkoafV_AZuuYVpaFIVJTshfG9ou!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMBfFKJ12aGmSkoafV_AZuuYVpaFIVJTshfG9ou%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi0-ya329.90637-ro-0-fo100!7i11264!8i5632</a>).
Swimming is not possible in such small rivers. However, you can
still relax and spend time in the water. That's why I added the
sport=swimming subtag. When this is added it is clear that you
can swim in the water. You can theoretically wash in all water
sources that are used for swimming. But this proposal is not
about places where you can wash yourself.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Gruebel<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/07/2021 15:01, Bert -Araali-
Van Opstal wrote:</div>
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<p><span style="font-family: Verdana;">I also ask the same
question again , in most poorer countries without proper
piped water supplies ALL waters are used to bath, bathe
(swim), laundry, car wash, fetching drinking and cooking
water etc... . I do remember that in most other countries
in Europe the same applies, people are free to access
public waters unless signposted otherwise, good idea or
not. We don't need this tag.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana;">I stick with "</span>We
don't map nature baths without signage (it is not
verifiable) other than the surface, e.g. sand, rock and the
paths/roads leading to it. There must be a sign as a bare
minimum to tag it using the tags below." as in our wiki.<br>
If you feel the need to do otherwise you could attempt to
change this statement and use an additional
amenity=public_bath or nature_bath ? Doesn't seem good idea
to me people go for nature bathing to be private, not the
ones commonly known, cliff diving etc... all different
interest groups and different intentions using natural
features. Compare it with other "sports" not practised in a
place modified by humans.</p>
<p>Greetings,</p>
<p>Bert Araali</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/07/2021 14:37, <a
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href="mailto:gruebel2020@online.de" moz-do-not-send="true">gruebel2020@online.de</a>
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<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left:
#1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0">Voting on "Reworking
leisure=bathing place" has ended. It was rejected with 9
votes against and 8 votes for (3 abstentions). <br>
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A large part of the votes against the proposal is because of
the poor verifiability. In my opinion the places that are
meant in this proposal are clear and verifiable. I had tried
to set up many rules to make this clear for others.
Apparently these were not sufficient or poorly defined by
me. <br>
<br>
I would revise the proposal in the future and propose it
again. I am wondering if you have any ideas to improve the
verifiability. <br>
Maybe you have other images that could act as examples. I
know several places, but unfortunately I have hardly taken
any pictures of them so far. <br>
<br>
I am still convinced that these locations have sufficient
frequency and relevance to continue working on them. <br>
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