<div dir="ltr">To pick one issue: that mappers might be confused by lookalike values. Trying to think as a data user.<div><br></div><div>A node can be natural=shrub. It's a shrub. </div><div>An area can be natural=shrubs. It's an area of shrubs. </div><div>An area can be natural=scrub or scrubland. It's an area of scrub or scrubland.</div><div><br></div><div>Tagging errors: </div><div><br></div><div>If a node was tagged natural=shrubs, I would assume shrub was meant.</div><div>If a node was tagged natural=scrub, I probably would ignore it.</div><div>If an area was tagged natural=shrub, I would assume shrubs was meant.</div><div><br></div><div>Or just ignore the errors; the mapper or another mapper will notice the thing does not behave as expected and correct it until it does.</div><div><br></div><div>As a validator in an editor, I could ask "Did you mean..." and correct it. </div><div><br></div><div>It's also very simple to detect with qa-tools, or a challenge driven project.</div><div><br></div><div><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">No biggie, I think.</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Peter Elderson</div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op do 15 jul. 2021 om 21:19 schreef Paul Allen <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com">pla16021@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thursday, 15 July 2021, Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> On 15 Jul 2021, at 10:24, Paul Allen <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com" target="_blank">pla16021@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> I didn't think you could come up with something that made less semantic sense than your previous proposal but you have surpassed yourself.<br>><br>><br>> Paul, no need to combine your criticism with an introductory insult. This could have been said the same way without personifying the statement.<br><br>You're right, I never learn. When somebody egregiously makes the same mistake after having it extensively pointed out to them the first time they made it, I bring it to their attention. Which makes me as guilty as him. And you, despite your attempt to cloak it in politeness, nearly as guilty.<br><br><br>> I agree with the notion that this would be introducing semantical problems, at least from what I have understood the term “scrub” means, and its application on manicured shrubs in a garden, maybe it is still not too much of a stretch. <br><br>For me that would be far too much of a stretch. In appearance and in typical species those are very different. Using scrub to describe shrubs would be like using landuse=grass for shrubs by adding tags to say that the grass is tall, has very thick stems, and is bushy <br><br>>I think I would appreciate a tag for individual items (natural=shrub),<br><br>We already have that. We need an area form because standard carto stopped rendering area hedges (which was always a vile kluge anyway).<br><br>> so that natural=scrub remains a tag for areas,<br><br>It is a great tag for areas of scrub. Not so good for areas that are not scrub.<br><br>> and as there is already a well established tag for hedges (barrier=hedge for which the suggested subtag “cultivated” could make sense)<br><br><br>I guarantee you that you have never seen a hedge, no matter how neglected and unkempt, that did not start out cultivated. It's not just a matter of planting an appropriate species in a row, saplings have the stems partially severed so the tops can be bent at 90 degrees to touch the next sapling. <br><br>It doesn't seem sensible to tag how long since a hedge was last trimmed as that could change tomorrow. An unmaintained hedge might become passable at some point or points along its length but that would require a ground survey to find out, and might be fixed the next day with some barbed wire.<br><br>-- <br>Paul<br><br>
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