<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 12:04 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Change tag name for something that is indicating that it is for shade at<br></div><div dir="auto">specific time of day and year.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This would move it "worthless and misteading data, should be removed"<br></div><div dir="auto">(if place has no shade at 14:30 / 2:30 PM then shade=yes is absurd) to<br></div><div dir="auto">"causes pointless cutting of ways and we risk manual tagging also for<br></div><div dir="auto">other specific parts of day/year"<br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not sure what you mean by this - does it mean you now disagree with your previous suggestion that summer_midday_shade=yes/no/limited may be viable?</div><div>Personally I think the idea of specifying shade directions is more promising and more widely useful anyway.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div><div><br></div><div>Jul 16, 2021, 19:42 by <a href="http://bkil.hu" target="_blank">bkil.hu</a>+<a href="mailto:Aq@gmail.com" target="_blank">Aq@gmail.com</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div>Could you perhaps share your reasoning or what needs to be improved<br></div><div>for you to accept it or could you propose a better alternative?<br></div><div>Estimating the direction of sunlight around noon in the summer based<br></div><div>on GPS coordinates doesn't sound like rocket science to me. Do you<br></div><div>have any other concern that was not already answered in the above<br></div><div>thread?<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 7:26 PM Brian M. Sperlongano<br></div><div><<a href="mailto:zelonewolf@gmail.com" target="_blank">zelonewolf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div><br></div><div>I am opposed to the mapping of shade.<br></div><div><br></div><div>While I think this is an interesting problem, I think it is simply too nebulous of a concept that doesn't belong in OSM.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I believe the Australians would also object to the characterization of shade being on the north side of a building as well :)<br></div><div><br></div><div>I intend to vote against it if put up for a vote.<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 2:05 AM bkil <<a href="http://bkil.hu" target="_blank">bkil.hu</a>+<a href="mailto:Aq@gmail.com" target="_blank">Aq@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div><br></div><div>How would you specify the kind of shade, like whether it comes from a<br></div><div>man_made feature or foliage (tree or hedge)? Should it be combined<br></div><div>with seasonal=* for deciduous plants?<br></div><div><br></div><div>What is the criterion with regard to time of day, like if due to the<br></div><div>angle of the sun, it only provides shade between 11:00-13:00 (the most<br></div><div>important time), before noon or in the afternoon? It can also come<br></div><div>handy to know whether the pavement will still be burning to your dog<br></div><div>if shade only reaches the highway during the afternoon.<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:shade#type_of_shade" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:shade#type_of_shade</a><br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Shade" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Shade</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>As an alternative, it would be possible to map each and every tree and<br></div><div>hedge, along with its taxon, height and crown_diameter, each fence<br></div><div>with fence_type and each building and other structure in 3D, each<br></div><div>sidewalk with exact material and geometry and compute shading based on<br></div><div>that, but this sounds like much more work and it is implausible in<br></div><div>most parts of the world in the foreseeable future (and not required<br></div><div>for solving the problem at hand to a given approximation anyway).<br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Tagging mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Tagging mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Tagging mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </div>
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