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About the comment on the talk page, I am also considering the values there, so cultivated=no, cultivated=yes (named semi-natural in the proposal) and cultivate=intensely (name cultivated in the proposal). I still not so sure about the density tags as I described

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About the ↙ittle bit of care" scrub. From the images, I also agree that these are uncultivated scrub. With the semi-natural scrub, we meant more like this: <a href="https://www.google.nl/maps/@51.1893347,6.022003,3a,21.6y,310.38h,86.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s59cpQAboumsVWUy5A_TgPk2Wkw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192" id="LPlnk">https://www.google.nl/maps/@51.1893347,6.022003,3a,21.6y,310.38h,86.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s59cpQAboumsVWUy5A_TgPk2Wkw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192</a></div>

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About the word shrubbery, it is just a word to describe those highly cultivated shrubs. </div>

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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>Van:</b> Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1@gmail.com><br>

<b>Verzonden:</b> zaterdag 24 juli 2021 8:45<br>

<b>Aan:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br>

<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Shrubbery V2</font>

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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 16:52, Vincent van Duijnhoven <<a href="mailto:vvanduijnhoven@outlook.com">vvanduijnhoven@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br>

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<div>I agree with a lot of what was mentioned at <a href="https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FTalk%3AProposed_features%2Fshrubbery%23Suggestion_to_reconsider_the_values&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd9d968a4d79c4c6bbcbe08d94e6f2da3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637627061719067541%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=sWWIDiITAXmaVzfajLhpYCrSDb5P3SS%2BNm8EpsrDse4%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/shrubbery#Suggestion_to_reconsider_the_values" shash="A8R1d4To917LPitORJ/XrBrDB9hMgWuOxM7HzXOkMdLdPn5JIZToDBXCKaWRF7JHIS4mTU3Naby67aSUfDUqbpTDwu1E4Tr+VZt3tQc+hChdBsjq1Arzjk6wgDLQvohq3UQ1eGLIPqCajS1cDnpBJOjH6VYONJKWuKOtob2Bf38=">

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<div>In particular, when is a "little" bit of care "cultivation"?</div>

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<div>I think I mentioned this example in the original proposal, but <a href="https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgoo.gl%2Fmaps%2FWgxKvu2KoPJkK7oX6&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd9d968a4d79c4c6bbcbe08d94e6f2da3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637627061719077497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3i3h5n7XnH1ISldkL43A0eZSsFNEzNHhZAU%2BKtP6C7A%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://goo.gl/maps/WgxKvu2KoPJkK7oX6" shash="as2pLvggW0OJbf93xoUgipz6pNkwWOYhcJUMrJ78kDJU/fd9q7qOdhKmdhW3kJT66av143FmpgE+12jlIplidwP37PjyMXtoERxfF7hkwWA5WmbsoVc+GS1n+ExiXwv7nBWlJBgNxYZo60RGzj553q/OXHtc+fHh0XEMUJ5j9iA=">

https://goo.gl/maps/WgxKvu2KoPJkK7oX6</a> & <a href="https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgoo.gl%2Fmaps%2FUaDo4zmcEEcWeeFW6&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd9d968a4d79c4c6bbcbe08d94e6f2da3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637627061719077497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=tAERhesg8DS22sXXcow087Dn1xFIOW1mz%2B0xm7i8Ryk%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://goo.gl/maps/UaDo4zmcEEcWeeFW6" shash="siSp0YZ1j16m60K39m9JhWMn0vdrtQepWZKpYb5/Epcc3UG9quChqUmQqoMmLay0W4uABYNdkPOXUjNGR+Uei8GjKSbfUbD+ZrUO8QbQKHw8rLs8YC/3zbcSLZoxD3wanE6dTiimsN/N0yMkfkIKpW7NYaT59W7V1SnugA+7fuE=">

https://goo.gl/maps/UaDo4zmcEEcWeeFW6</a> are areas at the back of our nearby beach. They were all originally planted, for dune stabilisation purposes, but then allowed to grow wild, with self-sown plants also flourishing in there. Occasionally, Council will

 lop branches that are growing out over the path, or they may go in & pull weeds out, but they're basically left alone.</div>

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<div>I'd happily (& have done so!) call them natural=scrub, which would match with this proposal, but does lopping a few branches, or pulling particularly nasty weeds = cultivated?</div>

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<div>Please don't get me wrong, I think the proposal as a whole is good, there's just a few words I have a slight problem with (shrubbery being one of them!), but as mentioned above ^, I think =scrub, =shrub & =shrubs should be fine.<br>

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