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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I would not use highway=busway as part of a bus station that is not part of a larger actual busway (something like this: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busways_in_Brisbane">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busways_in_Brisbane</a> )<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A “busway” is much more than just “a road of some kind used by busses”. See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_rapid_transit">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_rapid_transit</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And highway=busway should be limited to actual busways.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Vincent van Duijnhoven <vvanduijnhoven@outlook.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 25 July 2021 17:56<br><b>To:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tagging] The use of highway=busway at bus stations<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>But a bus station is part of a road network. It is actually an essential part because it allows people to change from busroutes or to change to other forms of transport like tram/train/ferry. Take the locations below as an example. I don't see why this cannot be tagged with highway=busway + service=(transport_station?). VIa a service tag, you can say that it is different part of a highway=busway but that it is still part of the network.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/159925449">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/159925449</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Or this one. Here it is also an important part of the bus network. Why say, this is just a service road? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/197922641">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/197922641</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Vincent<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>Van:</span></b><span style='color:black'> Michael Tsang <<a href="mailto:miklcct@gmail.com">miklcct@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Verzonden:</b> zaterdag 24 juli 2021 19:30<br><b>Aan:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Tagging] The use of highway=busway at bus stations</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Saturday, 17 July 2021 21:38:59 BST Vincent van Duijnhoven wrote:<br>> Since the acceptance of highway=busway, a re-tagging operation has started.<br>> The wiki page however has room for interpretation about the use of<br>> highway=busway on dedicated bus stations like<br>> this<<a href="https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2F%23map%3D19%2F51.36478%2F6.17241&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ce81de7fc10434007a8c008d94ec973f6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637627449471957956%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=EvW8DKnmL6qYExsJzj2AW49BHhqvmfUlGn72Yc6%2Feak%3D&reserved=0">https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2F%23map%3D19%2F51.36478%2F6.17241&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ce81de7fc10434007a8c008d94ec973f6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637627449471957956%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=EvW8DKnmL6qYExsJzj2AW49BHhqvmfUlGn72Yc6%2Feak%3D&reserved=0</a>> one (single,<br>> road side bus bays excluded). Atleast in the Netherlands, I see a lot of<br>> roads which are part of bus stations beeing re-tagged to highway=busway<br>> which started a discussion.<br>> <br>> There are now two possible tagging schemes available for those roads:<br>> 1) highway=busway<br>> 2) highway=service + access=no + bus=dedicated<br>> <br>> Is there any concesus/ shared idea on which one should be used considering<br>> this new tag? These bus stations are often roads where only busses are<br>> allowed so in that sense they are busways, atleast that is how I see it.<br>> <br>> Greetings,<br>> Vincent<br><br>I object to the idea of using highway=busway inside bus stations. I believe <br>highway=busway should be used for roads which belongs to the road network to <br>be taken into consideration when designing bus routes, but designated as PSV <br>(possibly +bicycle)-only. The roads inside bus stations are not part of the <br>road network, like highway=service.<br><br>For example, Coach House Place ( <a href="https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fway%2F153245446&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ce81de7fc10434007a8c008d94ec973f6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637627449471957956%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=65CLsF4VrVHZQMhC9H9N0s8H4H6oLSx%2F8WkmX3HOTZQ%3D&reserved=0">https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fway%2F153245446&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ce81de7fc10434007a8c008d94ec973f6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637627449471957956%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=65CLsF4VrVHZQMhC9H9N0s8H4H6oLSx%2F8WkmX3HOTZQ%3D&reserved=0</a> ) <br>is a good candidate to be retagged as highway=busway , as it belongs to the <br>road network for PSV as a route between the train station and the northern <br>suburbs.<br><br>Michael<br>-- <br>Sent from KMail<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>