<div dir="ltr">The 'wet led' term is echoed in FHRS data. 'The Mapmakers Arms Wet Sales' gets a rating and if there's a food operation so does 'The Mapmakers Arms Kitchen'. Franchising shows up in names like 'Thai Bites at The Mapmakers Arms'. To me, this is a strong definition of "provides food". You could mark whether 'The Mapmakers Arms Wet Sales' alone can provide you with a snack.<div><br></div><div>I'm carefully skirting the discussion of "is having 2 separate nodes, one for wet sales, one for the kitchen (regardless of whether it is a franchise), inside a pub polygon" correct or not. I'm just stating a conclusion of the earlier FHRS Quarterly Projects.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 10:05 PM Philip Barnes <<a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I guess the question of food=yes is going to be subjective.<br>
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What does food mean? A bag of crisps or peanuts then probably not I would expect those in all pubs that aren't food led.<br>
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The term we use for a proper drinkers pub is 'wet led'. Whilst such pubs may serve food, even if its only Sunday Lunch once a week.<br>
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How about something like a pork pie, certainly filling and something I have just enjoyed in one of my 'wet led' locals. Made at a local bakery that has recently opened on the High Street, small towns are doing well out of people working from home.<br>
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Wet led is a useful indicator when choosing a pub, especially with covid restrictions. Food led pubs can be very reluctant to give a table to someone who just wants a couple of pints. <br>
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Phil (trigpoint)<br>
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On Wednesday, 28 July 2021, Andy Townsend wrote:<br>
> On 28/07/2021 15:37, Jez Nicholson wrote:<br>
> > Food in UK pubs is slightly complicated by franchise kitchens and by <br>
> > the Food Hygiene Rating Service, i.e. the food side of the business is <br>
> > treated as a separate entity to the drinks/snacks side. In OSM this <br>
> > results in 2 nodes inside the same building, or a pub polygon with a <br>
> > fast-food/restaurant node inside it.<br>
> ><br>
> In a situation like that, where the "food" business is entirely separate <br>
> to the pub and just happens to use the pub for premises, what would you <br>
> tag the food business as - assuming doesn't pass the duck test as a <br>
> restaurant, or a fast food place, or similar? In at least one of its <br>
> incarnations over the last 10 years the Exeter Arms in Derby (which a <br>
> few GB mappers will be familiar with) <br>
> <a href="http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=91803260" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=91803260</a> was in this category, <br>
> but I'm not sure if it still is.<br>
> <br>
> To provide a slightly longer answer to Mateusz' original question the <br>
> sorts of things I think about tagging on pubs in the UK include:<br>
> <br>
> * Is it actually open or not, and if it's not, is that "not yet<br>
> reopened after Covid" or something else?<br>
> * How good is it at being wheelchair-accessible?<br>
> * Which pub operating company / brewery is it attached to?<br>
> * Is there a beer garden or other outside seating?<br>
> * Is there a car park?<br>
> * Does it serve real ale?<br>
> * Does it serve food *?<br>
> * Does it do accommodation?<br>
> * If it's in the countryside and I walk in there with muddy boots on,<br>
> will I have to take them off to avoid dirtying the carpet?<br>
> * Has it got a coal / wood or similar fire<br>
> * Is it a micropub or does it have a microbrewery on site?<br>
> <br>
> That's very much a rural GB-biased list of course, elsewhere many of <br>
> these won't be relevant and other things will be instead, and like with <br>
> all OSM tags it doesn't matter that everyone doesn't bother checking for <br>
> every possible tag (and I certainly wouldn't suggest that a default <br>
> "StreetComplete" pub quest included all of the above!).<br>
> <br>
> Best Regards (and cheers!)<br>
> <br>
> Andy<br>
> <br>
> * Personally I'd say anything from a pork pie upwards counts as "food" <br>
> but a bag of crisps on its own does not. In England and Wales a <br>
> "substantial meal" is actually defined by common law** (see <br>
> <a href="https://www.hospitalitylaw.co.uk/pub-or-restaurant-is-your-meal-substantial-enough/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.hospitalitylaw.co.uk/pub-or-restaurant-is-your-meal-substantial-enough/</a> <br>
> ) and the definition became famous in England before Christmas because <br>
> it was reused as part of the "when you are allowed to go to a pub in <br>
> times of Covid" rules.<br>
> <br>
> ** I am not a lawyer but I have provided computer advice to them...<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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