<div dir="ltr">Casper,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for discussing this with the community. It is much appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>1) I haven't reviewed all of your translations. I suggest you give the community a few days to look over. </div><div>2) If you would document your plan on the wiki (here is one example <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/malenki">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/malenki</a>), the community would have a more permanent, easily accessible, record of the mechanical edit.</div><div>3) At least in the US, "Pine" is a generic term used in day to day conversation to describe any evergreen needle leaved tree, which would include not only pines themselves, but also firs, spruces, and perhaps others. </div><div><br></div><div>Mike</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:10 PM Anne-Karoline Distel <<a href="mailto:annekadistel@web.de">annekadistel@web.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Having just tagged about 500 trees myself with the genus and
genus:en tags, I agree with your suggestion that they should be
tagged according to the established schemes.</p>
<p>I also agree with the difficulty about landuse=forest and
natural=wood.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Anne<br>
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<div>On 18/08/2021 19:36, Casper Kersten
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Dear
readers of the Tagging mailing list,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">I discovered
that there are over 36,000 trees tagged with type=*, a tag
that is normally reserved
for relations. After checking the tags in JOSM, I found that
many different
tags are duplicates of approved or de facto tagging schemes.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Some
examples: </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">type=Ahorn
- 200 uses - should be genus:de=Ahorn</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">type=broad_leaf
- 18 uses - should be leaf_type=broadleaved</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">type=broadleaved
- 132 uses - should be leaf_type=broadleaved</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">type=deciduous - 85 uses - should be
leaf_cycle=deciduous</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">type=Eiche
- 261 uses - should be genus:de=Eiche</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">type=eucalyptus
tree - 22 uses - should be genus=Eucalyptus</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">type=evergreen - 159 uses - should be
leaf_cycle=evergreen</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">type=Lime -
49 uses - should be genus:en=Lime</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">type=needleleaved
- 33 uses - should be leaf_type=needleleaved</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">type=Oak - 22
uses - should be genus:en=Oak</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">type=oak - 87
uses - should be genus:en=Oak</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">type=pine -
54 uses - should be genus:en=Pine</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">etc. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">I propose
to retag many of the type=* tags on trees to other common
tagging schemes with
sparse editing in JOSM in a single changeset. I am familiar
with the tagging
schemes and I am experienced with sparse editing in JOSM. Of
course, only tags
of which we can be sure will be changed.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">A very
similar issue exists with other nodes and ways that are
related to vegetation, such
as landuse=forest and natural=wood. I suggest addressing
this at a later moment
with the experience of the current topic.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">I do not
propose to translate any genus:de and genus:en tags to
genus=*, because in my
opinion this topic deserves a separate discussion. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">I do not
propose to retag type=palm, which is used on about 31,000
trees, also because in
my opinion this topic deserves a separate discussion. I
would like to focus on
the other type=* tags on trees.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Best
regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Casper
(Friendly_Ghost)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">P.s. My <a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/" style="color:rgb(5,99,193)" target="_blank">https://overpass-turbo.eu/</a>
query for
reference: </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">[out:xml][timeout:600];</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">node["natural"="tree"]["type"];</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">(._;>;);</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">out meta;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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