<div dir="auto">Here in the Po Valley we have hundreds (or mor) of inverted siphons. They do not need and, to my knowlege, do not have pumps. Many or max be most of them are not (yet) correctly tagged in OSM. This most likely due to the fact that waterway data are imports and it looks as if the original did not distinguish between waterway junctions and underpasses.<div dir="auto">I am not aware of any example of an uninverted siphon.</div><div dir="auto"> </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 14 Sep 2021, 17:42 François Lacombe, <<a href="mailto:fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com">fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Volker</div><div><br></div><div>From my understanding, both siphon and inverted-siphon are pressurised.</div><div>Siphon uses suction to pull water downstream which implies a positive pressure in its middle, without air.<br></div><div><br></div><div>This is an interesting concept we could classify with additional tags dedicated to siphons.</div><div>Some pumps use this principle to raise level of a liquid (see pump_mechanism=siphon <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:pump_mechanism" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:pump_mechanism</a>)</div><div><br></div><div>Do you have real example of working siphon please?</div><div>I only seen inverted siphons (mainly for sewage under roads or rivers) in the past.</div><div>This is the bottom of an inverted siphon (maybe 3m in diameter) to make water cross a valley <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/405871631" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/405871631</a></div><div><br></div><div>All the best</div><div><br></div><div>François<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 14 sept. 2021 à 17:12, Volker Schmidt <<a href="mailto:voschix@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voschix@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Question to François: is an inverted-siphon (botte sifone, pont-siphon) piece of waterway to be mapped as pressurised? </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 14 Sep 2021, 16:18 François Lacombe, <<a href="mailto:fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Kyle,<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 14 sept. 2021 à 03:24, Kyle Hensel <<a href="mailto:K.y.l.e@outlook.co.nz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">K.y.l.e@outlook.co.nz</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-NZ"><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Is there are reason why waterway=pressurized is used instead of waterway=river/stream/canal/drain and pressurized=yes?</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, waterways are defined according to their permanent flowing regime. Some are free flowing, others are pipe flowing.<br></div><div>A given waterway can't be both as it requires a special prerequisites to handle pressurised water.</div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Waterways#Artificial_waterways:_pressurised_vs_Open-flow_Waterways" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Waterways#Artificial_waterways:_pressurised_vs_Open-flow_Waterways</a></div><div><br></div><div>This table gives all values according to their regime</div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waterway#Values" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waterway#Values</a></div><div><br></div><div>River, streams, canals and drains are defined as free flowing waterways, so it wasn't consistent to propose pressurised=yes for them.</div><div>If a river goes punctually in a permanent pressurised culvert, waterway=pressurised + tunnel=culvert sounds the most appropriate possibility.<br></div><div>By the way, a river relation can obviously involve sections with different regimes.</div><div><br></div><div>In a perfect world we would have cleared waterway=* from all other values than flowing regime (move waterway=pier or waterway=fuel to man_made or amenity).</div><div>Never mind, I go back sleeping :)<br></div><div><br></div><div>All the best</div><div><br></div><div>François<br></div></div></div>
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