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<p>Hi Yves,</p>
<p>yes, as far as I can tell from the about 10 I have consciously
seen, they all have a set of stairs on the outside - I presume it
has something to do with how the milk was delivered.</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/12318050/graiguenamanagh-creamery-upper-main-street-graiguenamanagh-graiguenamanagh-kilkenny">https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/12318050/graiguenamanagh-creamery-upper-main-street-graiguenamanagh-graiguenamanagh-kilkenny</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/20905107/rathduff-creamery-rathduff-cork">https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/20905107/rathduff-creamery-rathduff-cork</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/20856010/mill-street-timoleague-timoleague-county-cork-2">https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/20856010/mill-street-timoleague-timoleague-county-cork-2</a></p>
<p>There are probably more characteristics, but I'm not an expert -
this is just what I have noticed.</p>
<p>Anne<br>
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Ann-Karoline,<br>
Building=church is not used because it's a place of worship, but
because the building have a church architecture. <br>
Is there something really special about creamery buildings that
they can be recognized easily as such?<br>
Regards,<br>
Yves <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Le 17 septembre 2021 20:25:45 GMT+02:00,
Anne-Karoline Distel <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:annekadistel@web.de"><annekadistel@web.de></a> a écrit :
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<p>I hadn't checked out Ireland on OpenHistoricalMap before,
it seems to be empty apart from rivers. I usually come
across creameries when I'm working on adding buildings to
OSM and check against the British War Office map to see if
there's anything of interest, house names, ringforts etc.
I'm not planning of changing my efficient and industrious
routine completely around and only map historical things.
That cannot be my priority, when we still have 3.5million
buildings to map.</p>
<p>We have building=church where the church is not used as a
place of worship any longer, but as a residence, library or
restaurant and that's tagged and seems to be okay. Why not
creameries?</p>
<p>Milk is not made in a factory, it comes from a cow. It
might be bottled in a factory, though. Unless it is
non-dairy milk, but that's not what I'm talking about here.
From an international, not native English speaker
perspective, I would understand and support the preference
for <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">butter_factory</font>,
but chances are that everyone in Ireland (and the UK) is
gonna tag them as "creamery" anyway, because that is what
they are called there and what's in the old maps and
potentially the name of the café it has been converted into
or what's on the blue plaque outside it.</p>
<p>Anne<br>
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<div dir="auto">The previous usage of buildings is something
for OpenHistoricalMap. Many buildings were previously
something else: pubs, warehouses, post offices, etc. IMHO
the proposed tagging does not belong in OSM.</div>
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<p>I'm thinking of creating a tag for historic
creameries. I don't know anything about modern
ones, they could possibly included, but the
situation in Ireland in the past was that
farmers brought their milk to the local
ceamery, it was skimmed and the cream made
into butter or cheese and the farmers took the
rest back home to feed to pigs or something. I
don't know all the technicalities, but those
buildings were purpose built, often still
recognizable by their architecture, mostly
vacant now, but some are converted into cafés,
warehouses or other commercial uses
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<div>In Australia, they were often called a
"Butter Factory", & there are still a number
of them still named & standing, but sadly,
no longer operating.</div>
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<p>I'd favour <font face="Courier New, Courier,
monospace">building=industrial</font> + <font
face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">historic=creamery</font>
plus <font face="Courier New, Courier,
monospace">start </font>and <font
face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">end_date</font>
whereever known, and of course the current
use, if it isn't vacant and/ or derelict.</p>
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<div>I think that would be the way to go, except
that ours would be historic=butter_factory. Or
would =milk_factory be a good catch-all term?<br>
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<div>Thanks
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<div>Graeme</div>
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