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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I did map quite some
bicycle_bypass=yes, but for things like this:</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I see the point that this is not
bicycle specific but also mofa's/mopeds/motorcycles can use it,
but <span class="deel4">two_wheeler_bypass=no does not look like
a good idea to me, </span><span class="deel4"><span
class="deel4">two_wheeler is not a common used term. Just like
amenity=bicycle_parking can be often also used by mofa's and
mopeds I do not see too much problems </span></span><span
class="deel4"><span class="deel4">bicycle_bypass.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span class="deel4">The problem that I
see with </span><span class="deel4">traffic_calming:bicycle=no,
is also related to this, </span><span class="deel4"><span
class="deel4">it asks for adding traffic_calming:mofa=no + </span></span><span
class="deel4"><span class="deel4"><span class="deel4"><span
class="deel4">traffic_calming:moped=no + </span></span></span></span><span
class="deel4"><span class="deel4"><span class="deel4"><span
class="deel4"><span class="deel4"><span class="deel4">traffic_calming:motorcycle=no
and that sounds like overkill.</span></span></span></span></span></span><span
class="deel4"><span class="deel4"><span class="deel4"><span
class="deel4"><span class="deel4"><span class="deel4"></span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/09/2021 22:04, Volker Schmidt
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<div>In the examples I do not see any distinction between
bicycle and other traffic, in particular no difference between
motorcycle and bicycle in the first one.<br>
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<div>For the third example I would simply use barrier=bollard
(which includes the case of mre than one bollard). It
certainly is not a chicane, which implies an obstacle that
forces you to deviate from a straight line.</div>
<div>There are also bumps in some countries that let pass
motorcars but slow down wider vehicles, and other more or less
devious arrangements.</div>
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<div>This needs more thought, especially if you want to call it
bicycle-something.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 26 Sept 2021 at 21:02,
Martin Koppenhoefer <<a
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> On 26 Sep 2021, at 20:30, Jan Michel <<a
href="mailto:jan@mueschelsoft.de" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jan@mueschelsoft.de</a>>
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> > traffic_calming:bicycle=no<br>
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> That's also what I would use.<br>
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if there is some space where a cyclist can pass the obstacle
without being affected, it’s still different from not being
affected at all, you have to be careful in order to pass the
obstacle at this spot, and if you miss it or cannot pass there
because of the traffic situation, you will still have an
obstacle on your way. <br>
That’s why I tend to prefer the bypass solution, as it is a
better description of the situation compared to a complete
negation<br>
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Cheers Martin <br>
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