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<div>Yes, place=nodes are used for rendering labels.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes, people move/tweak their location a bit to improve rendering in some <br></div><div dir="auto">favorite renderer.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But main difference is that place=* labels represent location of some place<br></div><div dir="auto">what reduces how much they can be moved, and makes<br></div><div dir="auto">"move place=* to improve rendering on my map" edit clearly suspect.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In contrast label role serves solely to place label. And it would be valid to add/move<br></div><div dir="auto">label role of <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2670477">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2670477</a><br></div><div dir="auto">to <br></div><div dir="auto">- sea <br></div><div dir="auto"> ( <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=53.9285&mlon=14.2592#map=12/53.9285/14.2592">https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=53.9285&mlon=14.2592#map=12/53.9285/14.2592</a> )<br></div><div dir="auto">- city center <br></div><div dir="auto"> ( <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=53.9091&mlon=14.2500#map=14/53.9091/14.2500">https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=53.9091&mlon=14.2500#map=14/53.9091/14.2500</a> )<br></div><div dir="auto">- industrial area without competing labels <br></div><div dir="auto"> ( <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=53.9095&mlon=14.2791#map=14/53.9095/14.2791">https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=53.9095&mlon=14.2791#map=14/53.9095/14.2791</a> )<br></div><div dir="auto">- less important part of city without competing labels<br></div><div dir="auto"> ( <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=53.9079&mlon=14.2352#map=14/53.9079/14.2352">https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=53.9079&mlon=14.2352#map=14/53.9079/14.2352</a> )<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">in case where multiple renders will start using this role people will start <br></div><div dir="auto">such edit wars moving label role to place where their favourite renderer<br></div><div dir="auto">would have optimal label placement<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">admin_centre role is for less problematic, as is less flexible and does not<br></div><div dir="auto">make possible to argue that it should be placed offshore in the sea<br></div><div dir="auto">(theoretical support: "but it is the best place and will not collide with other labels")<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Oct 1, 2021, 08:42 by tagging@openstreetmap.org:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>As I said before, if using label nodes as a hint for renderers truly is "bad and unwanted", then place nodes have no reason to coexist with boundary relations. Would you object to me deleting them?<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Sep 30, 2021, 05:57 by tagging@openstreetmap.org:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;" class="tutanota_quote"><div><br></div><div>Sep 30, 2021, 09:41 by lonvia@denofr.de:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>You are assigning a use to the 'label' role simply based on its name. I highly<br></div><div>doubt that anybody has ever really extracted the 'label' member of a relation<br></div><div>to place the name of the relation on a map.<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">Whole (bad and unwanted) point of label role is to manually map where label<br></div><div dir="auto">should be placed on a rendered map.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">See for example <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://github.com/organicmaps/organicmaps/issues/1134">https://github.com/organicmaps/organicmaps/issues/1134</a><br></div><div dir="auto">requesting to do exactly this.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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