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<div>And I am likely influenced by legal situation in Poland which is quite<br></div><div dir="auto">pedestrian-hostile (though it gets better year by year)<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For example pedestrian crossings on a crossing of roads<br></div><div dir="auto">have special legal status (you can cross there), even if not marked<br></div><div dir="auto">at all in any way.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Oct 10, 2021, 10:34 by jez.nicholson@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto"><div>Personally, and influenced by UK law that you may cross the road [almost] anywhere you like, I believe case 1 is the only unmarked crossing here. An unmarked crossing is a planners way to increase safety by influencing behaviour. A straight section of inner city pavement has lowered kerb to encourage pedestrians to cross at that point (plus make it accessible).<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Where I live, all corners are being lowered to make them more accessible. That doesn't make every corner in town a pedestrian crossing. It's totally normal for people to cross there, they haven't been specifically encouraged to go there.<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div class="" dir="ltr">On Sat, 9 Oct 2021, 20:56 Jeroen Hoek, <<a href="mailto:mail@jeroenhoek.nl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">mail@jeroenhoek.nl</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class=""><div>Cases 1 and 3 are what I would consider cases of crossing=unmarked.<br></div><div> These are places designed as pedestrian crossing places with<br></div><div> accessibility in mind. They lack road markings, but the lowered kerbs<br></div><div> make it clear that this is where you would cross if you were in a<br></div><div> wheelchair or pushing a pram. When sidewalks are mapped separately, this<br></div><div> is where you would want to have them cross the street.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Case 2, the driveway, not really. In fact, the sidewalk/pavement<br></div><div> continues over the driveway, which in many jurisdictions means that<br></div><div> pedestrians have right of way, and the the sidewalk is not interrupted.<br></div><div> The driveway is crossing the sidewalk, not the other way around. No tag<br></div><div> necessary I think when the way is a highway=service.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> When the way is highway=residential or higher, some tag to indicate this<br></div><div> kind of 'sidewalk continues uninterrupted, street crosses it' is lacking<br></div><div> I think. These are common in the Netherlands, for example:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://postimg.cc/k6HpPxHK">https://postimg.cc/k6HpPxHK</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> The sidewalk (and the cycleway) continue across that side street running<br></div><div> of to the top of the photograph. I wouldn't tag these with<br></div><div> crossing=unmarked, but some tag for these is missing.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Case 4 lacks a clear place to cross. It is up to the pedestrian<br></div><div> themselves to choose where. In these cases crossing=unmarked does not<br></div><div> feel appropriate. I don't know if some other crossing-tag would be<br></div><div> useful for this. Personally I tag the section of highway=footway<br></div><div> crossing here with footway=link (continuing with footway=sidewalk after<br></div><div> leaving the carriage way) to indicate that this is a crossing mapped for<br></div><div> routing purposes, but that it lacks a formal on the ground crossing<br></div><div> place (for places where crossing=* is appropriate footway=crossing is<br></div><div> used). Mapping the kerbs in these cases seems helpful for wheelchair<br></div><div> users too.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> I'm basing this mainly based on this criterium from the<br></div><div> crossing=unmarked documentation:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> > By a structural measure the transition should be recognizable. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> _______________________________________________<br></div><div> Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> <a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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