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<div>Do you think that cycle_barrier=a_frame or cycle_barrier=a-frame<br></div><div dir="auto">would be clearly better than cycle_barrier=tilted?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">(I have no idea how recognizable this name would be)<br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Note that its variant is called K-barrier:<br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.cycling-embassy.org.uk/dictionary/access-barrier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cycling-embassy.org.uk/dictionary/access-barrier</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="http://www.kbarriers.co.uk/barrier-type/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.kbarriers.co.uk/barrier-type/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto">Or are you mentioning to help improve documentation?<br></div></div><div dir="auto">(thanks for that! I added it to<br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:cycle_barrier&diff=2210088&oldid=2209729">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:cycle_barrier&diff=2210088&oldid=2209729</a><br></div><div dir="auto">)<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>Oct 19, 2021, 00:13 by nathancase@outlook.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I believe the "official" name for these (at least in the UK) is an "A-frame" barrier. The name deriving from the resemblance to the capital case letter A. <br></div><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">E.g. <a href="http://www.kbarriers.co.uk/a-frame-barrier/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.kbarriers.co.uk/a-frame-barrier/</a><br></div><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I think they're actually designed to prevent motor cycle access and their use is now discouraged on cycle routes e.g., <br></div><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><a href="https://www.cycling-embassy.org.uk/dictionary/access-barrier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cycling-embassy.org.uk/dictionary/access-barrier</a><br></div><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">(more problematically, they can also present an access problem for wheelchair users which is worse than for cyclists who can normally just dismount).<br></div><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Perhaps cycle_barrier=a_f<span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">rame would be better? But then again, it seems it is often not technically a cycle barrier, it's a motor cycle barrier...</span></span><br></div><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div class="" id="id-cd0e2e8d-ed41-40eb-a509-1e70112030ac"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br></div><div><hr tabindex="-1" style="display:inline-block;width:98%"><br></div><div id="divRplyFwdMsg"><div><b>From:</b> Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br></div><div> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, 18 October 2021, 20:26<br></div><div> <b>To:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools<br></div><div> <b>Cc:</b> Mateusz Konieczny<br></div><div> <b>Subject:</b> [Tagging] Adjust proposal: cycle_barrier=squeeze to cycle_barrier=tilted<br></div></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycle_barrier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycle_barrier</a> proposal was recently approved<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">One of tagged features is barrier like <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Barrier2.jpg" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Barrier2.jpg</a><br></div><div dir="auto">tagged as cycle_barrier=single<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Another is following type of barrier, popular in UK:<br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Cycle_barrier_squeeze_image.jpg" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Cycle_barrier_squeeze_image.jpg</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Proposal had cycle_barrier=squeeze for it.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Unfortunately it appears to be a poor tag name and likely confusing.<br></div><div dir="auto">- cycle_barrier=squeeze may be wider than narrow cycle_barrier=single<br></div><div dir="auto">- very narrow cycle_barrier=single requiring squeezing is supposed to be<br></div><div dir="auto">still tagged cycle_barrier=single<br></div><div dir="auto">- defining feature of cycle_barrier=squeeze is that it is tilted, becoming<br></div><div dir="auto">narrower as height increases<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Overall this tag name appears to be confusing, with<br></div><div dir="auto">cycle_barrier=tilted as seemingly better tag name.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So far it was used 48 times, so it is feasible to change this<br></div><div dir="auto">without bad side effects unlike with some poorly designed<br></div><div dir="auto">established tagging<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It was discussed in<br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Advanced_cycle_barrier_tagging#single_vs_squeeze" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Advanced_cycle_barrier_tagging#single_vs_squeeze</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">proposal author commented:<br></div><div dir="auto">"Maybe just start a discussion on the Tagging Mailing List and if<br></div><div dir="auto">there are no vetos, just document the change on the Wiki pages?<br></div><div dir="auto">We also could check if there are some newer uses of "squeeze"<br></div><div dir="auto">(mapped since this proposal was approved) and inform the mappers<br></div><div dir="auto">about the change/change the usage there..."<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What you think about such patch for this proposal?<br></div><div dir="auto">Is anyone opposed?<br></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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