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<p>While I fully understand and support actions to keep votings "clean" I'd like to point out that there seems to be an apparent consensus that these votings are absolutely not binding and nothing but mere "recommendations" of a bunch of OSM contributors that happen to be more enthusiastic and active than millions of others. I suspect this is not general knowledge, hence the interest in pushing a tagging that could be used anyway no matter the outcome... infamous "any tag you like" as you know...</p>
<p>This having said, I am in favour of considering the proposal votings authorative and should we ever manage to get to this point we absolutely need to have mechanisms in place that ensure clean votings, of course.</p>
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<p>You state: "This vote does not represent a confirmation/documentation of community consensus as intended by the proposal process"</p>
<p>While this might be a clear example of subverting the intent to achieve some kind of consesus I have a broader question: How do we actually establish consesus in the OSM community - in a VERIFIABLE way? As I said, it seems proposal votings do not, so how? Maybe this discussion deserves its own thread though...</p>
<p>Cheers, Marcos</p>
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<p>Am 19.10.2021 08:15, schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging:</p>
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<div>Yeah, while this proposal will likely fail - such invading should be treated as </div>
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<div dir="auto">While new contributors to OSM are welcome, in this case we are interested in</div>
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<div dir="auto">Not in things like <a href="https://archive.md/a8Qia" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://archive.md/a8Qia</a></div>
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<div dir="auto">It is not a place for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boaty_McBoatface" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boaty_McBoatface</a></div>
<div dir="auto">or repeat of something like</div>
<div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/52524/15-polls-hijacked-internet" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/52524/15-polls-hijacked-internet</a></div>
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<div dir="auto">Note that we have precedence for invalidating proposal votes without</div>
<div dir="auto">having an explicit rule for that, see</div>
<div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly/tag_description" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly/tag_description</a></div>
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<div dir="auto"><insert rant here about cryptocurrency speculators being annoying in one more way></div>
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<div>Oct 19, 2021, 04:44 by zelonewolf@gmail.com:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">This vote is being actively brigaded by crypto enthusiasts directing other crypto enthusiasts with no connection to OSM to create OSM wiki accounts in order to vote for this proposal. Even more concerningly, the talk discussion indicates that proponents of a specific, obscure crypto-currency are being directed to this wiki vote as a group. While this vote is currently failing, I believe the vote is invalid and should be shut down. This vote does not represent a confirmation/documentation of community consensus as intended by the proposal process. As such, we should not allow it to proceed further.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:04 AM András Fuchs <<a href="mailto:andras.fuchs@gmail.com">andras.fuchs@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div><code>Voting has started for Cryptocurrencies with payment tag. </code></div>
<div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Cryptocurrencies_with_payment_tag" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><code>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Cryptocurrencies_with_payment_tag</code></a></div>
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