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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks all for the comments so far.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This is the Google maps Streetview link:
<a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@52.4457248,-1.8176195,3a,75y,243.25h,90.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svoVWzs3jxPFNcpfhvpc4eg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192">
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.4457248,-1.8176195,3a,75y,243.25h,90.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svoVWzs3jxPFNcpfhvpc4eg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hopefully that works OK. Travel to the right to see more.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <tagging@openstreetmap.org>
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<b>Sent:</b> 27 October 2021 12:07<br>
<b>To:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz@tutanota.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tagging] When does highway=footway become highway=pedestrian?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Oct 26, 2021, 16:00 by <a href="mailto:nathancase@outlook.com">
nathancase@outlook.com</a>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Hi all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">I’ve just posted this on the Wiki discussion page (</span><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dpedestrian#.22For_town_centres_and_civic_areas.22" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dpedestrian#.22For_town_centres_and_civic_areas.22</span></a><span lang="EN-US">)
but the thread is a little old and I know not everyone reads the Wiki anyway…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">I’m wondering at what point, if at all, a highway=footway becomes highway=pedestrian (i.e., a pedestrian area)? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are several things here<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- sidewalk tags (sidewalk as attribute of road)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- highway=footway <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- highway=pedestrian for pedestrian road<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- area:highway=footway for area of footway/sidewalk (mapped as an extra)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- highway=pedestrian area=yes for pedestrian squares<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- highway=pedestrian area=yes misused for footway/sidewalk areas<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Note that the last one claim may be controversial, some claim that mapping<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">sidewalk as highway=pedestrian area=yes in addition or instead to<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">highway=footway line is OK.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In some places such mapping is really popular.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have an example (<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/365487665#map=18/52.44601/-1.81904" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/365487665#map=18/52.44601/-1.81904</a>)
of a sidewalk that has been mapped as a pedestrian area. It is certainly quite wide (around 7-8 m in places) and is located within a town centre/civic area. It even has painted markings (since COVID-19 pandemic began) splitting the direction of travel for
pedestrians - though this is, of course, entirely ignored by everyone walking there.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">However, it is, fundamentally, just a wide paved area for pedestrians that runs parallel and adjacent to the main carriageway (road) – i.e. a sidewalk.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Do we define particularly wide sidewalks as pedestrian areas? They do seem to match most of the criteria listed on the Wiki but it doesn’t seem to quite fit for me.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Linking photos would be useful. In principle I can imagine place that can be treated
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<p class="MsoNormal">as a dual carriageway, one of them mapped as highway=pedestrian line.<o:p></o:p></p>
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