<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp8c8ebefyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Personally, I would have thought that, if cycles are permitted to be ridden on the "Pedestrian Area", then "bicycle=yes" would be correct.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">We should be mapping what is physically possible / physically present and what is legally allowed, NOT what we think people will do.</div><div><br></div><div class="ydp8c8ebefsignature"><div style="font-family:new times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div>Regards,</div><div dir="ltr">Peter</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div>(aka PeterPan99)</div></div></div><div><br></div>
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On Wednesday, 27 October 2021, 09:21:40 BST, Volker Schmidt <voschix@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp828da0d8yiv8796243233"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>The tagging seems basically ok. <br clear="none"></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-weight:normal;">The way 899600621 reflects correctly the shared foot-cycle-path which is there. The only thing I would do is to remove the bicyle=yes from the pedestrian area, as I would expect the cyclists to stay on the foot-cycle-path.</span></font><br clear="none"></div></div><div id="ydp828da0d8yiv8796243233DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br clear="none">
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<p class="ydp828da0d8yiv8796243233MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="ydp828da0d8yiv8796243233MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’ve just posted this on the Wiki discussion page (<a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dpedestrian#.22For_town_centres_and_civic_areas.22" fg_scanned="1" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dpedestrian#.22For_town_centres_and_civic_areas.22</a>)
but the thread is a little old and I know not everyone reads the Wiki anyway…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="ydp828da0d8yiv8796243233MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’m wondering at what point, if at all, a highway=footway becomes highway=pedestrian (i.e., a pedestrian area)?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="ydp828da0d8yiv8796243233MsoNormal">I have an example (<a shape="rect" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/365487665#map=18/52.44601/-1.81904" fg_scanned="1" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/365487665#map=18/52.44601/-1.81904</a>) of a sidewalk that has been mapped as a pedestrian area. It is certainly
quite wide (around 7-8 m in places) and is located within a town centre/civic area. It even has painted markings (since COVID-19 pandemic began) splitting the direction of travel for pedestrians - though this is, of course, entirely ignored by everyone walking
there. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ydp828da0d8yiv8796243233MsoNormal">However, it is, fundamentally, just a wide paved area for pedestrians that runs parallel and adjacent to the main carriageway (road) – i.e. a sidewalk.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ydp828da0d8yiv8796243233MsoNormal">Do we define particularly wide sidewalks as pedestrian areas? They do seem to match most of the criteria listed on the Wiki but it doesn’t seem to quite fit for me.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I certainly don't see anything wrong with this pedestrian way since there is also a routable highway=path in the middle. (highway=footway + footway=sidewalk would be better) It does show that there is a wide pedestrian way which is accurate. Without the routable path, then just a highway=pedestrian will block people from using it. (I've heard of one proprietary router that does route on areas but I'm not aware of any open source router that does.) </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Best,</div><div>Clifford</div></div><div><br clear="none"></div>-- <br clear="none"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>@osm_washington<br clear="none"></div><div><a shape="rect" href="https://www.snowandsnow.us" fg_scanned="1" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">www.snowandsnow.us</a></div><div>OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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