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<div>I also think that amenity=prison is likely a good idea<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">- border between them can be extremely fuzzy and political and there is huge variety here[0]<br></div><div dir="auto">- I would not consider "people in prison are held there for legitimate reason"<br></div><div dir="auto"> as part of definition, and it seems that amenity=prison would not imply anything strong<br></div><div dir="auto">- amenity=prison is supported already in many places<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I would use some extra tagging to convey this extra info, prison=internment_camp<br></div><div dir="auto">seem a good idea.<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto">[0] it varies from blatantly fake accusations, extreme delay before trial starts,<br></div><div dir="auto">people held due to fictional psychological issues, claims of national security,<br></div><div dir="auto">people accused of breaking unjust/oppressive laws, various "it is totally not<br></div><div dir="auto">a prison" varieties, reedecuation centers etc etc<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Distinguishing that in top level tag seems to be a recipe for having far too many tags<br></div><div dir="auto">and answering very tricky classification issues (that cannot be fully avoided,<br></div><div dir="auto">but having such classification in top level tag would make things worse)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Nov 1, 2021, 04:07 by joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div>Re: "tagging for places where people are held against their will"<br></div><div><br></div><div>Since we use the same tag for jails and prisons (amenity=prison) for "<span style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37);"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:14px">A prison or jail where people are incarcerated", some of which are prison camps (e.g. </span></span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_prisons#Federal_prison_camps" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_prisons#Federal_prison_camps</a>), I don't see a problem with using amenity=prison for these camps.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps add prison=internment_camp to specify what time of amenity=prison it is? <br></div><div><br></div><div>This is already a key prison_camp=* which seems to mostly be used for historical, abandoned concentration camps, see <a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/prison_camp#overview" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/prison_camp#overview</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>- Joseph Eisenberg<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div class="" dir="ltr">On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 3:28 PM Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=""><div dir="ltr"><div>Trying to find suitable tags for internment camps, it seemed we do not have anything established: <a target="_blank" href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=internment#values" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=internment#values</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Although the physical place may resemble a prison, I believe such sites should get distinct tagging from prisons to avoid confusion.<br></div><div><br></div><div>First idea was amenity=internment_camp, but this would be unfortunate as it would not allow to combine the tag with other tags, e.g. amenity=refugee_site, so maybe man_made=internment_camp would be more suitable?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Are you aware of established tagging for places where people are held against their will, without accusations or trial, and which may be operated by the military, but also not?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>Martin<br></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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