<html><head></head><body><div class="ydpfae617f7yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hi Kai and everyone,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Well I have managed quite a number of tasks in this challenge, but I've come across quite a few that I don't understand.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">There are several roads (or traffic signs, or junctions) that are flagged by the MR challenge, but have no mapillary data. There have been no recent edits, so it is not the case that erroneous data has been removed by someone else.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Going to edit these objects, they are shown to be in no relations. However, if I go to the bottom of the page (in iD editor) and click on "view on openstreetmap.org", it shows the item to be in one or more relations, such as "<span>Relation 10140764 (as from)" That relation then has an entry in "mapillary=*"; sometimes a valid v3 mapillary key and sometimes a name, or other erroneous data.</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>Q1. Is the presence of the mapillary key in the relation causing the road section to be flagged by the MR challenge?</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>Q2. What should be done with it? a. if it is a legitimate mapillary key... b. if it is garbage / other data?</span></div><div><br></div><div class="ydpfae617f7signature"><div style="font-family:new times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div>Regards,</div><div dir="ltr">Peter</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">(aka PeterPan99)</div></div></div></div>
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On Monday, 1 November 2021, 13:58:46 GMT, Peter Neale via Tagging <tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808"><div>Thanks Kai,<div id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yMail_cursorElementTracker_1635774366373"><br clear="none"></div><div id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yMail_cursorElementTracker_1635774366872">I had not realised that I could put the alphanumeric 22 char v3 key into the mapillary url and get redirected to the numeric 10 digit v4 key.</div><div id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yMail_cursorElementTracker_1635774563509"><br clear="none"></div><div id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yMail_cursorElementTracker_1635774564010">Taking the whole url, found in the tagging, and putting into my browser just resulted in a fail.</div><div id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yMail_cursorElementTracker_1635774487982"><br clear="none"></div><div id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yMail_cursorElementTracker_1635774488477">I'll give it a try later, when I've finished my domestic chores.</div><div id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yMail_cursorElementTracker_1635774520012"><br clear="none"></div><div id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yMail_cursorElementTracker_1635774520544">Regards </div><div id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yMail_cursorElementTracker_1635774525937">Peter</div><div id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yMail_cursorElementTracker_1635774529941">(aka PeterPan99)<br clear="none" id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yMail_cursorElementTracker_1635774354302"><br clear="none"><div id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808ymail_android_signature"><a shape="rect" id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808ymail_android_signature_link" href="https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></div> <br clear="none"> <div id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yqt91608" class="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yqt5043544804"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 20px 0;"> <div style="font-family:Roboto, sans-serif;color:#6D00F6;"> <div>On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 13:42, osm@poppe.dev</div><div><osm@poppe.dev> wrote:</div> </div> <div style="padding:10px 0 0 20px;margin:10px 0 0 0;border-left:1px solid #6D00F6;"> Hello Peter,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It's not a strange questions to ask, I might not have made that totally clear, so I'm using an example:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://osm.org/way/863584696 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://osm.org/way/863584696 </a>has this tagging (for the relevant things you mentioned):<br clear="none"><br clear="none">image <a shape="rect" href="https://images.mapillary.com/sDvIogIJtrU1R-ehl2PfrA/thumb-2048.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://images.mapillary.com/sDvIogIJtrU1R-ehl2PfrA/thumb-2048.jpg</a><br clear="none">mapillary <a shape="rect" href="https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ljbwf7vZYa8LZJaX8" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ljbwf7vZYa8LZJaX8</a><br clear="none">description <a shape="rect" href="https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ljbwf7vZYa8LZJaX8" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ljbwf7vZYa8LZJaX8</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">So, the old 22-V3-ID (from image=*) is "sDvIogIJtrU1R-ehl2PfrA" which, when you open <a shape="rect" href="https://www.mapillary.com/app?pKey=sDvIogIJtrU1R-ehl2PfrA " rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://www.mapillary.com/app?pKey=sDvIogIJtrU1R-ehl2PfrA </a>(I described that in point 1 in the task description, even though only mentioning numeric values there), this will redirect to https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=1356231481407038.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">So, the new tagging could be<br clear="none"><br clear="none">image=<a shape="rect" href="https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ljbwf7vZYa8LZJaX8" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ljbwf7vZYa8LZJaX8</a><br clear="none">mapillary=1356231481407038<br clear="none">description=<empty><br clear="none"><br clear="none">For additional confusion, the user put an Image from his own Google Photos collection into the data. I still have to discuss if this is even acceptable under OSM standards...<br clear="none"><br clear="none">HTH!<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Kai<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 11:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Peter Neale <a shape="rect" href="mailto:nealepb@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">nealepb@yahoo.co.uk</a>, Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <a shape="rect" href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a> said<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Hi Kai, <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I am having a go at the MapRoulette challenge (and have managed to deal with<br clear="none">> a few cases already). <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> However, I need to seek clarification (sorry if I am being a bit "hard of<br clear="none">> thinking", but I don't want to cause more problems than I cure) <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> What should I do, if the Mapillary ID= field (or another field, such as<br clear="none">> "image=") contains a full URL, linking to the Mapillary image, and including<br clear="none">> a 22 character alphanumeric (v3) Key? <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Should I: <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> a. replace the URL with the 22 character v3 key and wait for your bot to<br clear="none">> find it and translate it to v4? <br clear="none">> b. go somewhere (where?) and look up the corresponding v4 key, placing that<br clear="none">> in the "Mapillary ID=* field"? <br clear="none">> c. Do something else? <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Regards, <br clear="none">> Peter <br clear="none">> (aka PeterPan99) <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On Sunday, 31 October 2021, 13:43:54 GMT, Kai Michael Poppe wrote: <div id="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yqtfd99148" class="ydp952d488eyiv3652208808yqt1841721690"><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Hi Mateusz, <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Nope, those old values are gone. People have either deleted them or deleted<br clear="none">> their accounts all together with the option to remove their photos along with<br clear="none">> it. They are gone and can not be recovered by Mapillary. <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> The manual MapRoulette fix is hoping that another person has a photo of the<br clear="none">> same object. <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Kai <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> 31.10.2021 14:30:49 Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging : <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Oct 30, 2021, 15:51 by <a shape="rect" href="mailto:me-osm-tagging@keepawayfromfire.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">me-osm-tagging@keepawayfromfire.co.uk</a>: <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On Sat, 2021-10-30 at 11:52 +0200, Kai Michael Poppe - OSM wrote: <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> 2 - There are ~2.6k "old" values in the key, that match the correct <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> pattern but that have since been deleted from Mapillary. Please give me <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> your opinion on how the automated edit shall handle them: a) remove <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> completely and don't care anymore b) remove the key and put more info <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> in the changeset comment c) leave the old key even though it has no use <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> anymore d) move to old:mapillary=* (or something like that) <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Possibly an option E. That would be to do option C, and set up a <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> MapRoulette for people to manually go through and clean up those <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> objects. There may other images already in Mapillary that correspond to <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> the object, remove the mapillary=* if there isn't, or remove the whole <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> OSM object if it is no longer relevant. <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> It only really works if there are people motivated to do the <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> MapRoulette. I'll try to find some time to help out on the current one <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> [1], but the one I describe as option E would be significantly bigger. <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I would try MapRouelette, just in case someone would be interested. <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> After some time remove them, but with clear description in edit <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> (and also in an approved bot edit). <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> old:mapillary=* is definitely bad idea, what is the point of linking<br clear="none">> something <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> that will never be available again? <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> PS Just to check: is it maybe caused by extra space or some other whitespace <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> or other easily fixable issue? <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> _______________________________________________ <br clear="none">> Tagging mailing list <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a> <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging " rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging </a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> _______________________________________________ <br clear="none">> Tagging mailing list <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a> <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </blockquote></div></div></div></div><div class="ydp952d488eyqt5043544804" id="ydp952d488eyqt35750">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Tagging mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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