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<p>There are a lot of misunderstandigs related to the bicycle
network which is slowly evolving over the last decades. In 1998
the "Forschungsgesellschaft für Straßen- und Verkehrswesen"
(something like "research company for street and traffic issues")
has proposed a concept for a bicycle guideposting system. It is
based on nodes with guideposts and route markers between these
nodes that show only directions but no further information. The
aim is to create a network for both recreational and working
traffic.</p>
<p>The guideposting at the nodes includes a "Routenorientierte
Wegweisung" (route orientated guideposting) and "Zielorientierte
Wegweisung" (destination orientated guideposting). The destination
orientated guideposting is mandatory - means that every
node=branch needs guideposts with destinations. These basic routes
between nodes can be part of either named routes or routes between
numbered nodes (creating a "numbered node network"). They are
marked by "Routeneinschübe" ("route inserts") that are usually
fixed at the lower rim of the destination signs. They can be just
the numbers of the node network or symbols of the named route (and
mustn't have informations concerning destinations).<br>
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<p>Therefore there can be routes between nodes that are not part of
any other named route and others that are. The proposal suggests
(concerning the bicycle routes) to tag the unnamed routes of this
network as "basic_network". <br>
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<p>This is also to discriminate these routes from other bicycles
routes that are not maintained by the state and exist additionally
in Germany.</p>
<p>My personal preference would be to find a tagging that can help
to find the official routes as a whole, but this is still a bit
difficult as the development of the bicycle network is regionally
different, and the "Länder" (states of Germany) have there own
laws concerning the bicycle traffic.</p>
<p>I tried to collect information about it on my user page
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Segubi/Elemente_NRW-Radwegenetz">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Segubi/Elemente_NRW-Radwegenetz</a>
but I started unfortunately in German and have no time to
translate it. A quite complex description of the guidelines for
North Rhine-Westfalia is found at the webpage of the state NRW
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.radverkehrsnetz.nrw.de/rvn_hbr.asp">https://www.radverkehrsnetz.nrw.de/rvn_hbr.asp</a> (HBR Hinweise zur
wegweisenden Beschilderung für den Radverkehr "Guidelines for the
signposting of the bicycle traffic".</p>
<p>Just for clearing up some of the questions I hope.</p>
<p>Greetings, Sebastian<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sorry, I gave the wrong impression. A
mega-cycleway-collection was their first idea.
<div>Now, I think, they want to create a large number of smaller
route relations. I do not yet fully understand what is to
achieved by this. I also do not quite see where such a route
begins and ends, and how this relates to the indications on
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op ma 15 nov. 2021 om 18:48
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 6:34 AM Peter
Elderson <<a href="mailto:pelderson@gmail.com"
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<div dir="ltr">Apart from the practical problems of
determining/verifying where the proposed "basic
network"-routes start, go and end, I am still trying
to understand what the use case/added value is of
creating a network of all cyclable ways of a certain
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<div>Oh, I didn't realize that this was proposing to make
some kind of mega-relation with every unnamed cycle
route in it. If that's the concept, I would definitely
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