<div dir="ltr"><div>I am an eager bicycle user of OSM and of various routing/navigation services. They all use the same underlying OSM data. My overall experience is positive.</div><div>It is clear on the other hand that the concept of a "good" route varies from person to person.</div><div>Every routing/navigation service uses a specific subset of Data and secific set o criteria, and aspecific algorithm; many allow in addition direct user interaction with many aspects.</div><div>But most of the "good" ones use a mix of physical properties, road hierarchy, and the fact that a road is part of a cycling-tourism route.</div><div>The end users are a very mixed bunch.<br></div><div>When I plan a night trip home across my home city on bicycle I would give priority to low-traffic, good-surface, illuminated roads and would not be interested in any cycle tourism aspects, i. e. to be on a cycle route.</div><div>If we start to introduce cycle routes as the equivalent of the road hierarchy for motorized traffic we need to be careful. A Fahrrad-Bahn to get people quickly to work or University should not be a bicycle route in OSM, at least under the actual scheme of cycle routes.</div><div><br></div><div>(I still don't understand what this basic network is supposed to be)<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 23:18, stevea <<a href="mailto:steveaOSM@softworkers.com">steveaOSM@softworkers.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Two things: 1) I find this discussion fascinating, mostly at the "richness" of the sorts of routes and networks that are available in parts of Western Europe. I'm even a bit jealous that we don't have such sophistication here in the USA, but that's another topic. With great design (by states, regions, federal governments...) comes the need for great implementation, and Sebastian tells us such a thing doesn't come close to existing. That's sad, but also an opportunity.<br>
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2) Enter OSM "to the rescue." I believe (wholeheartedly, as we are an excellent software stack / data repository / social vehicle for what is being attempted) that OSM can do this. We haven't yet, but given these discussions, the ones that have happened for years on the German forums and the excellent bilingual Proposal wiki, it looks like we come closer and eventually will implement this. It is taking some time, that time appears it will be well worth the effort spent as this refines into something our project can be truly proud of.<br>
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This is complicated: even governments can't seem to get their maps together. OSM can (and should) become world-class in its solutions to these developments. Steady ahead, good mappers. Please don't become impatient.<br>
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SteveA<br>
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