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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 21.11.21 um 12:16 schrieb Volker
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<div>This discussion is going a bit in circles, and lacking
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<div>The important aspect is that many people on bicycles use
navigation devices for travel that is not in areas they know
well by memory. Anything we do needs to keep that in mind.</div>
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I have exactly that in mind - if I cycle unknown routes I prefer to
stay on the regular routes because if you miss just one of the
interim guideposts you end up in the nowhere (the routes usually
don't follow just one direct way, even the non recreational routes
go sometimes very special ways. That's not unimportant, you have no
real way to predict if one cycle track will not end in some newly
constructed living area and behind that in a motorway. So you really
have to know how to get around the streets where you aren't allowed
to cycle) - that's one big disadvantage of the German bicycle
guideposting system. If I have a digital map, where I can check
sometimes whether I'm still on the right way, I don't need to look
continuously on the navigation system, and save its energy on longer
trips.<br>
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<div>The discussion we are having regards bicycle use, but
many aspects are equally valid for car or pedestrian travel.
So we should also keep these two types of transport in mind.</div>
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<div><u>We do have</u> [...]<br>
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<div><u>We do not have</u> a scheme for signposted
non-touristic bicycle routes, including bicycle
superhighways or similar dedicated structures<br>
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<p>... I think that's the aspect that is my personal focus (still
emphasizing that in Germany there is just one signposting system
integrating both touristic and non-touristic routes) - and have
still neither a real good idea how to transfer this into OSM nor I
know how exactly Jochen would suggest to use the tag basic_network
in cases like I sent lately. (In my personal surrounding I just
used it and render my own maps based on it, but I see
inconsistencies besides advantages).</p>
<p>Sebastian<br>
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