<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry I didn’t read the whole discussion, so just to give my point of view:<br></div><div>I see no issue of tagging these as bicycle routes.</div><div>«
A <strong>route</strong> is a customary or regular line of passage or
travel, often predetermined and publicized. Routes consist of paths
taken repeatedly by people and vehicles: a ship on the North Atlantic
route, a car on a numbered road, a bus on its route or a cyclist on a
national route.
»<br></div><div>The definition fits the need I think.
</div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route</a><br><br></div><div></div><div>In Netherland they use for there node bicycle network the bicycle route tagging scheme, and have many short routes between nodes like this <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1546314#map=14/52.1472/4.8917&layers=Y">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1546314#map=14/52.1472/4.8917&layers=Y</a></div><div>Your examples are like a node network without node ref :)</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 16 nov. 2021 à 11:13, Richard Fairhurst <<a href="mailto:richard@systemed.net">richard@systemed.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="auto">I can definitely see the value in a tag along these lines. I've encountered several situations where a city has a signed network of connections for cyclists, clearly directing people along particular roads/trails - but they're not point-to-point routes as such, and don't have names or refs. We don't have a good way of tagging these yet.<br>
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Three examples I've encountered:<br>
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Cambridge, England. There is a carefully planned network of connections, signed like this (apologies for G**gle): <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/6RQKGvNnVsFucBSD6" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/maps/6RQKGvNnVsFucBSD6</a>, <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/KPx5VHimVCVo99fP7" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/maps/KPx5VHimVCVo99fP7</a>, <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/yLaUeRjbNUUf3av37" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/maps/yLaUeRjbNUUf3av37</a> (connection to King's Hedges signed off NCN 51).<br>
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These are currently mapped as <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/12218549" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/12218549</a> which is just wrong: it's not a "route" and it isn't officially called "Cambridge signed cycle routes network". But we don't have another solution.<br>
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Cardiff, Wales. The signed routes were tagged as lcn=yes which worked fine for the local mappers until OpenCycleMap (for understandable reasons) stopped rendering that. The local mappers don't know what tags they should be using instead, and I couldn't give them a good answer.<br>
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Flagstaff, Arizona. There is a network of routes, some of which are named but others are just connections, called FUTS (Flagstaff Urban Trail System): see <a href="https://www.flagstaff.az.gov/1379/Flagstaff-Urban-Trails-System-FUTS" target="_blank">https://www.flagstaff.az.gov/1379/Flagstaff-Urban-Trails-System-FUTS</a>. It's in OSM as <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2815833" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2815833</a>. It was previously mapped as route=bicycle, type=route; I changed it to type=network in 2019 because it wasn't a route. I am slightly surprised no one has shouted at me for that yet. ;)<br>
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So we have something factual here that could be mapped, but currently no agreed way to map it. JochenB's proposal is a good start and identifies the issue.<br>
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The main problem with it is that network:type=basic_network is really not a great name. It's not intuitive from the tag what it is; it could honestly mean anything. The second problem is that it's based on type=route, but that means 'point-to-point route', and these aren't - they're networks.<br>
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So why not just do this:<br>
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<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> type=network</span><br>
<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> route=bicycle</span><br>
<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> network=lcn</span><br>
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Exactly the same as a point-to-point bike route, but with type=network rather than type=route. It does what it says on the tin ("type=network", of which there are 3.3k already), it's simple, and it accords with existing tagging.</div>
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