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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29/11/2021 08:44, Volker Schmidt
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 at
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<div>5. icn, ncn, rcn and lcn are used for
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<div>Says who? </div>
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<div dir="auto">I stated earlier that this is an "in
practice" feature, and not documented. It is useful and is
used by many routing/navigation tools.</div>
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The abbreviations roughly represent their length & location. It
doesn't indicate a route relations usage at all <br>
Could you name some routers using this "principle"?<br>
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<div> lcn is a "local cycling network", it says
absolutely nothing about the purpose for which people
might use the cycleway. There is nothing in the
English or German wiki pages that I can find that
backs up this assertion. I maintain that lcn etc are
perfectly fine tagging for either recreational or
commuter usage, and I find the distinction you're
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<div>We don't tag roads this way, so I don't see why
we'd tag cycleways this way.</div>
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<div>You may have overlooked my earlier comment on this
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<div>The routes for motorised traffic are different and
lacking exactly the possibility of distinguishing between
what you call "commuter" traffic and tourism routes.</div>
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Exactly the same for cycling routes. It's the bicycle rider who
decides if their using them for commuting or recreation. <br>
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<div> We use road route relations for the various hierarchical
road levels, e. g. "Route Nationale xx" (in France) but have
no established tagging for the signposted touristic route
"Route du Vin d'Alsace", which are an orthogonal category of
road routes.<br>
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<div>The fact that something is missing in OSM for motorized
traffic is not a good argument for not having it for bicycle
tourism, <br>
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Something can't be missing if it is not required.<br>
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especially as it is de-facto practice in many parts of the
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Please show me a cycle route that declares itself 'only for
commuting, recreational cyclists are banned', or vice versa. <br>
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<div>And as a frequent end user of this feature I can confirm
that it works.<br>
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Please provide a "working" example.<br>
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