<div dir="auto">In Nederland, most people can't tell what a grassy area is used for, and the use of the land changes all the time. It's much easier to tell if an area belongs to a farm, and anyone can see that it's covered with mainly grass - at that moment. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The result: a patchwork of landuse areas, of which landuse=farmland is reliably telling you that the land is used for farming (crop or livestock or just resting for later use as either, or awaiting expropriation for something else e.g. park, "new nature" or building area, forest or another giant motorway crossing -you can never have enough of those, right?-, or a new water storage area, which is the destination for most of the country anyway, because the sea rises, the rivers bring more water and the rain becomes heavier year by year). <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op do 16 dec. 2021 om 05:25 schreef Joseph Eisenberg <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div dir="auto">Meadows (areas of mostly grass and similar herbaceous plants, cut for hay) and pastures ( areas of grass and herbs, used for grazing by animals) are both tagged as landuse=meadow everywhere that I have mapped.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It is rare to use landuse=farmland for either.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">- Joseph</div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 7:34 PM Zeke Farwell <<a href="mailto:ezekielf@gmail.com" target="_blank">ezekielf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr">A couple of weeks ago a <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/DerBauer" target="_blank">new wiki editor</a> modified several pages in a way that changes the meaning of landuse=meadow and landuse=farmland.<br><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow" target="_blank"><br></a></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow" target="_blank">Tag:landuse meadow</a> (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Alanduse%3Dmeadow&type=revision&diff=2225909&oldid=2224216" target="_blank">diff</a>)<br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland" target="_blank">Tag:landuse farmland</a> (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Alanduse%3Dfarmland&type=revision&diff=2225152&oldid=2224151" target="_blank">diff</a>)<br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmyard" target="_blank">Tag:landuse farmyard</a> (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Alanduse%3Dfarmyard&type=revision&diff=2225157&oldid=1935881" target="_blank">diff</a>)<br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features:landuse" target="_blank">Template<span id="m_3255338045702818018m_-5207964372953268700m_-6109804893984540283goog_2016407459"></span><span id="m_3255338045702818018m_-5207964372953268700m_-6109804893984540283goog_2016407460"></span>:Map_Features:landuse</a> (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AMap_Features%3Alanduse&type=revision&diff=2225907&oldid=2210904" target="_blank">diff</a>)<br></div><div><b><br></b></div><div>Previously these pages suggested that landuse=meadow is used for pastures and hay fields, landuse=farmland is used for tilled cropland, and that some mappers use landuse=farmland for all three. Some ambiguity there, but that was the gist of it. After the recent changes these pages now state that landuse=farmland should be used for tilled cropland and pastures, while landuse=meadow should only be used for grassy areas which are not regularly grazed.<br></div><div><b></b></div><div><br></div><div>Is this change in meaning appropriate or not?<br></div><div><br></div><div><b><br></b></div><div>The description for landuse=meadow was changed from this:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div>An area of meadow or pasture: land primarily vegetated by grass and other non-woody plants, mainly used for hay or grazing<br></div></blockquote><div><div>to this:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div>
<span title="This description doesn't match the data item. Please make them the same and remove any wiki markup. Data item description = “An area of meadow or pasture: land primarily vegetated by grass and other non-woody plants, mainly used for hay or grazing.”">A meadow - land primarily vegetated by grass and non-woody plants, but which is <b>not</b> regularly grazed.</span>
</div></blockquote><div> <br></div><div>The description for landuse=farmland was changed from this:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Area of farmland used mainly for tillage (annual crops)<br></blockquote></div><div>to this:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Area of land operated by a farm whether that is pastoral (livestock) or arable (tillage). To be used in conjunction with crop=* to define the crop (grass, wheat etc) grown on that land. Separate to tag landuse=farmyard</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Another section of the landuse=farmland page was change from this:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">This tag is sometimes used for tagging every agricultural area (except farmyards). However we also have separate tags for: meadows and pastures landuse=meadow, fruit orchards landuse=orchard, and vineyards landuse=vineyard, so many mappers prefer to use landuse=farmland for cropland only</blockquote></div><div>to this:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">This tag is to be used for tagging every agricultural area (except farmyards). There are also separate tags for: fruit orchards landuse=orchard, and vineyards landuse=vineyard.<br>Meadows have an often confusing separate tag landuse=meadow attributed to them. An agricultural meadow is a separate distinction under the farmland parent category where the ground cover is grass but is not regularly grazed by livestock.</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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