<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 2:50 PM stevea <<a href="mailto:steveaOSM@softworkers.com">steveaOSM@softworkers.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Dec 1, 2021, at 12:27 PM, JochenB <<a href="mailto:JochenB@wolke7.net" target="_blank">JochenB@wolke7.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Am 28.11.2021 um 20:45 schrieb Brian M. Sperlongano:<br>
>> So is "basic" in this case of bwn/bcn supposed to mean "more local<br>
>> than local"?<br>
> <br>
> A distinction between local and regional makes no sense here. The<br>
> networks of various cities (lcn), districts and federal states (rcn)<br>
> together result in hundreds of kilometers of nationwide cycle-friendly<br>
> routes (ncn). In most cases, it is not clear to the user who is managing<br>
> the network.<br>
<br>
I find "it isn't clear...who is managing the network" to be deeply problematic. Seriously? You mean there is nobody to ask "who put up this sign?" or "who do I ask to determine anything authoritatively about these routes / this network?" That strongly implies anybody could put up a sign (of whatever level, for whatever purpose) and OSM Contributors in Germany would insist we develop tagging strategies to denote...WHAT, exactly? I don't know, you don't know, it seems NOBODY knows. If true, this is a major failing. I simply do not know of a single (signed) bicycle route or bicycle route network in the entirety of the USA where this is true, and that's a LOT of routes and networks. There is ALWAYS "somebody to ask" EXACTLY who is "managing the network."<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It's more likely than you might think. This is the standard sign used in the US for routes maintained by COGs, cities and counties.</div><div><br></div><img src="cid:ii_kxgdtuuu0" alt="image.png" width="259" height="194"></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><div>Which LCN does this route belong to? <br></div><div><br></div><div>Maybe if you get someplace that's put slightly more thought into things, you'll get the alternative numbered route sign instead.</div><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_kxgdviw61" alt="image.png" width="204" height="300"><br></div><div><br></div><div>Which LCN does this route belong to?</div><div><br></div><div>I can't imagine that this is unique to the US, vis a vis local level cycleways being standardized on extremely <i>bad</i> wayfinding and identification.</div><div><br></div><div>At least in the US it's not as bad with RCNs (state cycleways, I know Oregon has a specific shield for this and most states don't have this network at all; and NCNs, the US cycleway system has its own shields as well).</div></div></div>