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<div>Is it a <br></div><div dir="auto">- operated by town/city<br></div><div>- parking zone over some area larger than a single group of parking lots<br></div><div dir="auto">- restriction applying only during events<br></div><div dir="auto">?<br></div><div><br></div><div>14 Jan 2022, 00:24 by graemefitz1@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div>Mentioned previously<br></div><div><br></div><div><pre>In a similar concept, nearby, we have: <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/GZQ6yubLHFv4dMfJ8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/maps/GZQ6yubLHFv4dMfJ8</a>
Map of the area:
<a href="https://www.goldcoast.qld.gov.au/files/sharedassets/public/pdfs/brochures-amp-factsheets/map-traffic-area-robina.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.goldcoast.qld.gov.au/files/sharedassets/public/pdfs/brochures-amp-factsheets/map-traffic-area-robina.pdf</a>
How would that one work?<br></pre></div><div><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class="" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks<br></div><div><br></div><div>Graeme<br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div class="" dir="ltr">On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 02:20, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=""><div><div>I am slowly creating<br></div><div dir="auto"><a target="_blank" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/city_parking_zone_as_parking:condition_value" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/city_parking_zone_as_parking:condition_value</a><br></div><div dir="auto">(or now, it is mostly copy-paste of that message and not finished)<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Noone commented so far - but if anyone feels that it is unwanted/silly idea<br></div><div dir="auto">it would be much better to comment now rather then <br></div><div dir="auto">during vote after investing several hours of work into it.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Dec 19, 2021, 00:00 by <a target="_blank" href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div dir="auto">This can work with both just proposed tagging and existing one.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I also thought about municipal_parking_zone as value.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This idea relies on following assumptions<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">* it is useful to gather/tag info "this is a city parking zone" even if <br></div><div dir="auto">further info is not tagged immediately<br></div><div dir="auto">* extra info can be added without on site survey (because it is often <br></div><div dir="auto">the same for entire city or the same in entire districts)<br></div><div dir="auto">* tagging full info is often obnoxious and hard to maintain, while <br></div><div dir="auto">gathering it with one value would allow coordinated updates across city<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Example from Kraków, Poland.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Area and subareas are well defined, but this rules apply only on public roads. <br></div><div dir="auto">See <a target="_blank" href="https://zdmk.krakow.pl/parkowanie/strefa-platnego-parkowania/mapy/mapa-strefy/" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://zdmk.krakow.pl/parkowanie/strefa-platnego-parkowania/mapy/mapa-strefy/</a><br></div><div dir="auto">for an official map.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a target="_blank" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/414860799" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/414860799</a> is in A1 subarea but<br></div><div dir="auto">city parking rules do not apply there as it is internal road <br></div><div dir="auto">of Jagiellonian University from legal viewpoint.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For <a target="_blank" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294128564" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294128564</a> this parking rules apply.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This info is not obvious and requires survey/research.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Tagging full rules would require noting that<br></div><div dir="auto">- parking is paid<br></div><div dir="auto">- parking is free on Sundays and during night (from 20.00 to 10.00)<br></div><div dir="auto">- charge strongly reduced for residents with long-term permits<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The first two rules are (in case that new tagging would be accepted)<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">parking:condition:*=ticket<br></div><div dir="auto">parking:condition:*:conditional=free @ (Su, Mo-Fr 20:00-10:00)<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">with the current tagging<br></div><div dir="auto">parking:condition:*:ticket:time_interval=Mo-Fr 10:00-20:00<br></div><div dir="auto">parking:condition:*:free:time_interval=Mo-Fr 20:00-10:00,Su<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">tagging this requires checking syntax on wiki (or dedicated editor),<br></div><div dir="auto">checking exact parking rules on <br></div><div dir="auto"><a target="_blank" href="https://zdmk.krakow.pl/parkowanie/strefa-platnego-parkowania/informacje-ogolne-i-oplaty/" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://zdmk.krakow.pl/parkowanie/strefa-platnego-parkowania/informacje-ogolne-i-oplaty/</a> <br></div><div dir="auto">and inputting all of that for every single road segment with parkings.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Even with nice interface (I am working on one exactly right now) collecting<br></div><div dir="auto">this info would be really obnoxious.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It seems to me that collecting just <br></div><div dir="auto">parking:condition:*=city_parking_zone during survey and later <br></div><div dir="auto">armchair adding<br></div><div dir="auto">parking:condition:*:conditional=ticket; free @ (Su, Mo-Fr 20:00-10:00)<br></div><div dir="auto">to all<br></div><div dir="auto">parking:condition:*=city_parking_zone<br></div><div dir="auto">would be better workflow.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There are also some minor benefits:<br></div><div dir="auto">And also makes easier to handle changes in rules (Saturdays used to be also free)<br></div><div dir="auto">And allows distinguishing between city-operated parking and privately operated<br></div><div dir="auto">(residents may have paid parking only for the first one)<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And negatives:<br></div><div dir="auto">One more extra rule to suppport and understand.<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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