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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 25.01.2022 um 15:22 schrieb Brian M.
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<p>Am 25.01.2022 um 10:27 schrieb Florian LAINEZ:<br>
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<div>1. The deprecation definition is currently
formalized and <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Deprecated_features"
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described</a>: "A deprecated tag or deprecated
feature is tagging that is recommended by
OpenStreetMap community consensus for removal and
replacement with other tagging."</div>
<div>Therefore I don't understand when you say that
"it's not a formal concept".<br>
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<div>I don't aim to change that definition at all. My
only proposal is to better define the reasons behind
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<p>That is text that was added by Brian just over a year
ago. <br>
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<p>Anybody can add literally anything to the wiki, doing
so doesn't make a concept formalized, a consensus or
anything. You can argue that stuff on the wiki that has
weathered well over the years does have some kind of
standing, but given that essentially all wiki changes
are stealthy and fly under the radar, the time to
achieve such status needs to be a bit more than just a
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<div>...and after a year plus and over 30 subsequent edits yet
it remains. I encourage anyone with better words to
describe our reality to add them. There are plenty of
people that complain about what's on the wiki or jawbone on
the mailing lists, but far fewer willing to roll up their
sleeves and take their best shot at documenting the status
quo. That said, I'm not sure what this phrase "formal
concept" even means that you folks are throwing around. Do
you mean "approved by a person or organizational entity in a
position of authority on the matter"? By that definition,
of course, there are no formal concepts at all in OSM and
it's disingenuous to even argue the point.</div>
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<div>I also agree with Mateusz that a number of the rationales
listed for deprecation are problematic and vague and would
not be appropriate to include as part of a description of
what deprecation means. Even more strange are the numeric
codes listed for each deprecation reason - for what purpose
could that possibly be useful or wanted? (this is
rhetorical - I'm not looking for a response here). I am
hoping that the original author will consider the negative
reactions received here on this list as a signal of
community opposition to the idea rather than an invitation
to continue arguing the point.</div>
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<p>I didn't actually say if I agreed or didn't with your wording.</p>
<p>What I do disagree with is using it as proof that there is a
formal process for deprecation. There is just a consultation
process on new tagging that you take however you want, sneaking
"deprecation" into proposals doesn't make it even a bit more
binding..</p>
<p>And if there was a formal deprecation process it would need
massive amounts of hysteresis (lets say 2-3 orders of more votes
than in tagging consultation). Tagging stability is a value in
itself and willy-nilly churning through tagging variants because
of minor imperfections doesn't add any value and makes lives more
difficult than necessary for data consumers and isn't good for the
project as a whole. <br>
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<p>Simon<br>
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