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<div>Do not worry.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I assure you that many things are done differently than I would desire<br></div><div dir="auto">and contrary to what I stated as my preference or what I supported with<br></div><div dir="auto">what I consider as very strong arguments.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>Jan 29, 2022, 09:11 by s8evqq@runbox.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>I have a feeling some people's opinions weigh more than other. If Richard, Mateusz and Frederick Ramm say NO, it's NO and everybody else should just comply with that.<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 20:31:42 +0100, Frederik Ramm <frederik@remote.org> wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div>Hi,<br></div><div><br></div><div>On 1/28/22 19:21, mail@marcos-martinez.net wrote:<br></div><div>> The previous debate happened in May 2020, more than 1 year and 8 months ago.<br></div><div><br></div><div>And it was the second debate about the topic, and it did not anything <br></div><div>new over the first debate.<br></div><div><br></div><div>> If the above is interpreted as established community consensus which is <br></div><div>> not to be challenged under penalty of banning, <br></div><div><br></div><div>I think the penalty of banning comes from a moderator saying "if you do <br></div><div>this again I will ban you". If such a warning is blatantly and willfully <br></div><div>ignored without consequence, we might as well do away with moderators <br></div><div>altogether.<br></div><div><br></div><div>As for consensus, taginfo says that "phone" outnumbers "contact:phone" <br></div><div>by 4:1 and the number of people "having last edited" an object with <br></div><div>"phone" outnumbers those having last edited an object with <br></div><div>"contact:phone" by 6:1.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I am rather tired of hearing the same old "oh but OSM should have a <br></div><div>CLEAN data structure where everything is nicely put in a NAMESPACE" <br></div><div>discussion again. Saying "if you don't like the topic, ignore it" is <br></div><div>cynical; first of all, once there are too many topics I don't like on <br></div><div>the mailing list, I will dislike the whole mailing list; secondly, Sören <br></div><div>bringing up the same old topic again forces me to re-iterate the same <br></div><div>old arguments against, or else someone will say "hey, see, nobody was <br></div><div>against it".<br></div><div><br></div><div>I am not a list moderator but I am in the Data Working Group and when we <br></div><div>say to someone "don't do this again" (even if it should be something <br></div><div>that other users can do with impunity) and this person smiles in our <br></div><div>faces while he's doing the exact thing again, then of course we block <br></div><div>them, and we most certainly don't first start a poll among OSM users <br></div><div>whether they think this is just.<br></div><div><br></div><div>So,<br></div><div><br></div><div>1. OSM doens't have a nice and clean data model as taught in your <br></div><div>computer sciene 1+1 and if you can't wrap your head around this then go <br></div><div>play somewhere else;<br></div><div><br></div><div>2. specifically, the phone tag is totally fine and we don't need <br></div><div>contact:phone to store two million times in our database that by the <br></div><div>way, a phone is some way of contacting someone;<br></div><div><br></div><div>3. and Richard was totally right to follow through on his announcement <br></div><div>to not tolerate the same discussion for a third time.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Bye<br></div><div>Frederik<br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Frederik Ramm ## eMail frederik@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"<br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Tagging mailing list<br></div><div>Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br></div><div>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Tagging mailing list<br></div><div>Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br></div><div>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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