<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="all"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 23:14, Andy Townsend <<a href="mailto:ajt1047@gmail.com">ajt1047@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><p>How people map things and which tags they use is handled by a
general community consensus and a bit of common sense on all
sides. Over the years an aversion to deprecation has grown up due
to the surprises that it can cause for people who work with OSM
data - not just editor developers, but data consumers of all
stripes. There are times where deprecation makes sense (e.g.
"highway=ford" on ways doesn't let you say what sort of highway it
is, beyond being a ford) but many times when it does not. If a
new form of tagging makes sense mappers (guided by the editors
that they use) will adopt it and as it appears in the OSM
database, data consumers will support it.</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I mentioned during a similar conversation "last" (?) year, that possibly the Proposal & Voting system has passed its Use-By?</div><div><br></div><div>It may be easier, & much less stressful!, to just come up with a Draft Concept about "<b><i>*This*</i></b>", put a message out asking for comments / suggestions, make amendments then announce that "<b><i>*This*</i></b>" is now a thing & leave it up to mappers to use or not, depending on whether they think it's any good?<br></div><div></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p>You say that 33 people voted in favour of this "deprecation" (and
there are around 660 people who will see this message directly via
this mailing list), but those are tiny "even less than a rounding
error" numbers compared to
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats#Contributor_statistics_reports" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats#Contributor_statistics_reports</a>
.</p>
<p>It's important that we discuss how we tag things as a project,
and the tagging mailing list and the wiki both form part of that.
What we don't currently have (at API, board or working group
level) is a way of enforcing the views of 33 people over the 300k
(active contributors last year). </p></div></blockquote><div>Interesting figures, thanks Andy!</div><div><br></div><div>So 0.2% of mappers are on the Tagging list, & I don't think I've ever seen 10% = 66 of them actually vote? (The recent vote on reservoirs had 54 votes (~8%) & that was a massive response!). Most votes seem to be around the 20 mark so 3% of 0.2% are making "decisions" that "decide / direct" all of OSM - scary!<br></div><div><br></div><div>I know there are other communication channels: Slack, you mentioned Telegraph, I've seen mention of Discord & also Discourse (which is apparently going to become the official channel?) & which was going to be live "next week" - in October last year ...</div><div><br></div><div>Do you have any idea of their usage? Is the Tagging list, despite its lack of use, still actually the best option for reaching the most people?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks<div><br></div><div>Graeme</div></div><br></div></div>