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<p>Hi,<br /><br /></p>
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<p><span>- tagging_help: a place to ask and answer “how do I tag…” questions.</span></p>
<p><br /><span>so I ask if we have a tag for A, I am told no but someone has an idea to call it foo=bar</span><br /><span>is it a help that should continue on help? or is it the beginning of the discussion of a new tag?</span></p>
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<p>Martin and yourself raise good points about the potential overlap. </p>
<p>Perhaps such a list would be better framed as a place for new editors to ask for “basic” questions: “How to I map my local park”, “have I drawn this road correctly”, etc. Maybe alternative channels already serve that purpose adequately.</p>
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<p><span>already proposed several times but no one wants to take care of it.</span><br /><span>there was an attempt on the wiki "what's new</span><br /><span>the only lasting experience is osmweekly and its announcements/summaries</span><br /><span>moreover any email or webmail client is already able to create a tagging_proposals folder and put RFC topics and votes in it.</span></p>
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<p>There is some portion of the audience of this list which is only interested in these “announcements”. The benefit of having a different list would be for those people to not receive the other emails at all.</p>
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<p><span>you mean that everyone should migrate from the list to a new one ?</span><br /><span>what difference does it make if the discussion of tags takes place on a new list instead of here?</span></p>
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<pre>t's really not clear how the discussion of a new tag will be for here
unless it's BIG then it's for tagging_strategy</pre>
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<p><br />I don’t think everyone should migrate, but I do think there are two very different types of conversations: conversations about a tag/tags, and meta-conversations about tagging as a concept. Conversations could be about the nature of free form tags, descriptive <span style="font-size: 10pt;">vs prescriptive tagging guidelines, discussions about the tagging process; these are conversations that are wordy and can generate lots of discussion, but also important to cover. Conversations about tags, ideas for new tags etc would stay here. Again, different people follow this list for different reasons; splitting allows people to opt out of high level conversations if they aren’t interested.</span></p>
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<pre>I agree but the "slip" already exist: tagging <> osm-talk for ex
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<p>I get your point; we don’t want to be overly fragmented to the point of absurdity, and if the community keeps splitting lists eventually there will be hundreds.</p>
<p>I think the rate of a split every 10 or so years isn’t actually too bad though. :)</p>
<p>Dian</p>
<p id="reply-intro">On 2022-02-18 01:42, Marc_marc wrote:</p>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace"><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Hello,</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Le 17.02.22 à 13:28, Dian Ågesson a écrit :</span>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><span style="white-space: nowrap;">The conversation about consensus is a good example</span></blockquote>
<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">yes and no. this thread shouldn't have been started at all on tagging.</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">so it'sn't an exemple about "we need to split", it's an exemple about</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">"chooice the good list".</span><br /><br />
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><span style="white-space: nowrap;">suggest splitting this mailing list</span></blockquote>
<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">I agree but the "slip" already exist: tagging <> osm-talk for ex</span><br /><br />
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><span style="white-space: nowrap;">- tagging_help: a place to ask and answer “how do I tag…” questions.</span></blockquote>
<br />so I ask if we have a tag for A, I am told no but someone has an idea to call it foo=bar<br />is it a help that should continue on help? or is it the beginning of the discussion of a new tag?<br />the world is not black or white and the one who asks the question on tagging has generally already done the research without finding so it speaks of a concern that should go on another of your lists<br /><br />
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0">- tagging_proposals: pure news feed for proposal announcements. RFC open, vote notifications etc.</blockquote>
<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">already proposed several times but no one wants to take care of it.</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">there was an attempt on the wiki "what's new</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">the only lasting experience is osmweekly and its announcements/summaries</span><br />moreover any email or webmail client is already able to create a tagging_proposals folder and put RFC topics and votes in it.<br /><br />
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0">- tagging_strategy: a place to discuss the BIG, thorny issues about tagging. Essays and debates welcome.</blockquote>
<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">you mean that everyone should migrate from the list to a new one ?</span><br />what difference does it make if the discussion of tags takes place on a new list instead of here?<br /><br />
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<br />it's really not clear how the discussion of a new tag will be for here unless it's BIG then it's for tagging_strategy<br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Regards,</span><br />Marc<br /><br /><br /><br />_______________________________________________<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Tagging mailing list</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;"><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a></span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;"><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a></span></div>
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