<div dir="ltr"><div>Some comments for the situation in Italy.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 13:40, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div dir="auto">1) oneway=yes is typically used on roads<br></div></div></blockquote><div>Not only on roads, but also on cycle-only-ways, on segregated foot-cycle-ways and on non-segregated foot-cycle-ways, where it only applies to the vehicles (bicycles and electric scooters very rarely on foot-only-ways. <br></div><div>oneway is not used on escalators and walkways. Use "conveying=" on these<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">2) when oneway=yes is used on roads it applies to vehicles and does not apply<br></div><div dir="auto">to pedestrians on sidewalks<br></div></div></blockquote><div>Yes <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">3) when oneway=yes is used on roads it applies also to cyclists on carriageway<br></div><div dir="auto">(unless overridden by oneway:bicycle=no)<br></div></div></blockquote><div>Yes <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Questions:<br></div><div dir="auto">(1) is oneway=yes on road applying to cyclists travelling on sidewalks/cycleway=track?<br></div></div></blockquote><div>If the the sidewalk/cycleway/cycle-lane is tagged as a separate way, no</div><div>If the the cycleway is tagged as cycleway=track on the road highway, no</div><div>If the cycleway is tagged as cycleway=lane yes, unless there is a oneway:bicycle=no</div><div>The problem with the cycleway=lane|track is also that it does not say how many cycleways there are and on which side of the road.<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">(2) <br></div><div dir="auto">Is oneway=yes applying to pedestrians when used on ways where no vehicle traffic<br></div><div dir="auto">is allowed?<br></div><div dir="auto">For example is oneway=yes highway=footway oneway for pedestrians?<br></div></div></blockquote><div>Yes, unless there are same vehicle exceptions tagged on the way. In that case we would need to add oneway:foot=yes<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Is it correct to map oneway hiking trail as<br></div><div dir="auto">highway=path + oneway=yes + foot=yes + bicycle=no + ski=no + snowmobile=no<br></div><div dir="auto">?<br></div></div></blockquote><div>If the he trail (typically a relation) has a preferred direction, or is only signposted in one direction, the oneway tag is not suitable, as it is an access tag that refers to the legal access. Unless the rare cases, obviously, where legally there is a oneway-restriction also for pedestrians.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">(3) is oneway=yes used in meaning "applies to all vehicles" So would apply<br></div><div dir="auto">on main road part, on sidewalks, on attached cycleways if mapped as property of road.<br></div></div></blockquote><div>(as said above only oif there is no bicycle:oneway=no)</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">And highway=tertiary cycleway:both=track oneway=yes would mean<br></div><div dir="auto">that attached cycleways are oneway in direction of way.<br></div></div></blockquote><div>No. In that case you have to indicate for each track the oneway direction: <br></div><div>e.g.<br></div><div>cycleway:left:oneway=yes <br></div><div>cycleway:right:oneway=-1</div><div>or</div><div>cycleway:both:oneway=no<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Or is it better defined as "applies to main part of the way"<br></div><div dir="auto">So would apply to carriageway if used on road<br></div><div dir="auto">And highway=tertiary cycleway:both=track oneway=yes would mean<br></div><div dir="auto">that attached cycleways can be used in both directions.<br></div></div></blockquote><div>(see above) <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">So would apply to pedestrians if used on highway=footway<br></div></div></blockquote><div>I would assume that the default for footways is oneway:foot=no </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">This concerns <br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway:foot" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway:foot</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway</a><br></div><div dir="auto">where there is a quite prolonged disagreement how this should be tagged<br></div><div dir="auto">and how it is being tagged.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Note that I am not asking how tagging scheme would be designed in the idea world<br></div><div dir="auto">and I am not asking is OSM Wiki currently correct - I am asking about actual use.<br></div></div></blockquote>I should add that I have described my way of tagging. I think it's shared by other mappers in Italy.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Slightly off topic:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">I do not know the situation for horse riders, but would assume that ridden horses should obey the oneway rules for vehicles (this is positively the case in Germany, but i'm not sure for Italy<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Based on what I know highway=footway oneway=yes means that such way<br></div><div dir="auto">is oneway for pedestrians and current OSM Wiki description is incorrectly<br></div><div>making claims about oneway:foot. <br></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And such redefinition would not even be helpful.<br></div> </div>
</blockquote></div></div>