
<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><br><br><div dir="ltr">sent from a phone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 2 Apr 2022, at 09:33, Jez Nicholson <jez.nicholson@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">c) an entity page should frequently match to a known entity in Wikidata. When it doesn't then it may be a sign to think again, or Wikidata is wrong/missing something and we could improve it.</div></blockquote><br><div><br></div><div>lets have a look at an example, place=city in OpenStreetMap is linked to <a href="https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q515">https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q515</a></div><div><br></div><div>the French definition says it should have at least a population of dozens of thousands.</div><div><br></div><div>There is also this statement:</div><div><div class="wikibase-statementgroupview-property" style="margin: 0px; padding: 2px 5px; border: 0px; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Lato, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 19.764705657958984px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; background-color: rgb(248, 249, 250); caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2);"><div class="wikibase-statementgroupview-property-label" dir="auto" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><a title="Property:P1552" href="https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1552" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; color: rgb(84, 89, 93); text-decoration: none;">has quality</a></div></div><div class="wikibase-statementlistview" style="margin: 0px; padding: 2px 5px; border: 0px; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Lato, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 19.764705657958984px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; background-color: rgb(248, 249, 250); caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2);"><div class="wikibase-statementlistview-listview" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><div id="Q515$2B2A84DE-166E-4966-9254-1CEEA638BED7" class="wikibase-statementview wikibase-statement-Q515$2B2A84DE-166E-4966-9254-1CEEA638BED7 wb-normal" style="margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><div class="wikibase-statementview-rankselector" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><div class="wikibase-rankselector ui-state-disabled" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; cursor: default;"><span class="ui-icon ui-icon-rankselector wikibase-rankselector-normal" title="Normal rank" style="margin: 5px 5px 0px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: linear-gradient(transparent, transparent), url("data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg xmlns=%22http://www.w3.org/2000/svg%22 xmlns:xlink=%22http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink%22 width=%22107%22 height=%2220%22%3E %3Cdefs%3E %3Cpath d=%22M3.1%2C0 0%2C3.8 0%2C6 8%2C6 8%2C3.8 4.9%2C0zm8.2%2C7 -2.3%2C2 0%2C2 2.3%2C2 3.4%2C0 2.3%2C-2 0%2C-2 -2.3%2C-2zm6.7%2C7 0%2C2.2 3.1%2C3.8 1.8%2C0 3.1%2C-3.8 0%2C-2.2z%22 id=%22a%22/%3E %3Cpath d=%22m18.5%2C10.75 0%2C-1.5 2%2C-1.75 3%2C0 2%2C1.75 0%2C1.5 -2%2C1.75 -3%2C0zm0%2C-6.75 0%2C1.5 7%2C0 0%2C-1.5 -2.875%2C-3.5 -1.25%2C0zm-9%2C12 0%2C-1.5 7%2C0 0%2C1.5 -2.875%2C3.5 -1.25%2C0zm0%2C-12 0%2C1.5 7%2C0 0%2C-1.5 -2.875%2C-3.5 -1.25%2C0zm-9%2C12 0%2C-1.5 7%2C0 0%2C1.5 -2.875%2C3.5 -1.25%2C0zm0%2C-5.25 0%2C-1.5 2%2C-1.75 3%2C0 2%2C1.75 0%2C1.5 -2%2C1.75 -3%2C0z%22 id=%22b%22 fill=%22none%22/%3E %3C/defs%3E %3Cuse fill=%22%23000%22 x=%220%22 y=%220%22 xlink:href=%22%23a%22/%3E %3Cuse stroke=%22%23000%22 x=%220%22 y=%220%22 xlink:href=%22%23b%22/%3E %3Cuse fill=%22%2372777d%22 x=%2227%22 y=%220%22 xlink:href=%22%23a%22/%3E %3Cuse stroke=%22%2372777d%22 x=%2227%22 y=%220%22 xlink:href=%22%23b%22/%3E %3Cuse fill=%22%2336c%22 x=%2254%22 y=%220%22 xlink:href=%22%23a%22/%3E %3Cuse stroke=%22%2336c%22 x=%2254%22 y=%220%22 xlink:href=%22%23b%22/%3E %3Cuse fill=%22%23447ff5%22 x=%2281%22 y=%220%22 xlink:href=%22%23a%22/%3E %3Cuse stroke=%22%23447ff5%22 x=%2281%22 y=%220%22 xlink:href=%22%23b%22/%3E %3C/svg%3E"); display: block; float: left; width: 8px; height: 20px; background-position: -36px center;"></span></div></div><div class="wikibase-statementview-mainsnak-container" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><div class="wikibase-statementview-mainsnak" dir="auto" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><div class="wikibase-snakview wikibase-snakview-18261c7f6e52438671f3f4e0f3af0fdb3f5b47ba" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><div class="wikibase-snakview-property-container" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; display: inline;"><div class="wikibase-snakview-property" dir="auto" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; display: inline;"></div></div><div class="wikibase-snakview-value-container" dir="auto" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; display: inline;"><div class="wikibase-snakview-typeselector" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; display: inline;"></div><div class="wikibase-snakview-body" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; display: inline;"><div class="wikibase-snakview-value wikibase-snakview-variation-valuesnak" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; display: inline;"><a title="Q47524457" href="https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q47524457" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 23.7176456451416px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; color: rgb(107, 75, 161); text-decoration: none;">statements of instances in qualifiers</a></div><div class="wikibase-snakview-indicators" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; display: inline;"></div></div></div></div></div><div class="wikibase-statementview-qualifiers" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 0.8em; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><div class="wikibase-listview" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><div class="wikibase-snaklistview" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><div class="wikibase-snaklistview-listview" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><div class="wikibase-snakview wikibase-snakview-e85a1ccd4d6342929f7007dcca198c8168ff6cf4" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inhe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r" dir="auto" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; display: inline;"><div class="wikibase-snakview-body" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; display: inline;"><div class="wikibase-snakview-value wikibase-snakview-variation-valuesnak" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; display: inline;">and it says the Vatican City is a model item for a city: </div></div></div><a href="https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q237" style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-size: 0.8em;">https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q237</a></div><div class="wikibase-snakview wikibase-snakview-e85a1ccd4d6342929f7007dcca198c8168ff6cf4" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><br></div><div class="wikibase-snakview wikibase-snakview-e85a1ccd4d6342929f7007dcca198c8168ff6cf4" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;">(it has not even 1000 inhabitants and is not a settlement on its own but a part of Rome)</div><div class="wikibase-snakview wikibase-snakview-e85a1ccd4d6342929f7007dcca198c8168ff6cf4" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><br></div><div class="wikibase-snakview wikibase-snakview-e85a1ccd4d6342929f7007dcca198c8168ff6cf4" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;">Even the most essential items are full of contradictions and we haven’t even looked at the content of the wikipedia articles in all the languages.</div><div class="wikibase-snakview wikibase-snakview-e85a1ccd4d6342929f7007dcca198c8168ff6cf4" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><br></div><div class="wikibase-snakview wikibase-snakview-e85a1ccd4d6342929f7007dcca198c8168ff6cf4" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;">Yes, these concepts are related, but IMHO you can hardly benefit from the relation because of the details and different definitions (even in the one-sentence title within WD if you compare languages), and more when comparing to OpenStreetMap. The relation is just too loose</div><div class="wikibase-snakview wikibase-snakview-e85a1ccd4d6342929f7007dcca198c8168ff6cf4" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dcity">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dcity</a></div><div class="wikibase-snakview wikibase-snakview-e85a1ccd4d6342929f7007dcca198c8168ff6cf4" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;"><br></div><div class="wikibase-snakview wikibase-snakview-e85a1ccd4d6342929f7007dcca198c8168ff6cf4" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;">Cheers Martin </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>