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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.04.22 um 17:51 schrieb Volker
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<div>What would a wheelchair user do?</div>
<div>Trust a map? Or phone the car wash to make sure that there
are component people at the car wash who would help him in
case of necessity?</div>
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<div>I think it would be helpful to mark the car-wash as
wheelchair=yes only if it is manned AND after checking with
the car-wash personnel would and could help in case of
problems. And make sure there is a phone number.</div>
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<div>But, really, we need some input from the wheelmap people.</div>
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<p>That leads me to a more general comment, which maybe could not be
discussed here in detail. I think it may be important in the case
of such a streetcomplete quest that there are clear and objective
criteria for the use of the tags.<br>
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<p>It would be necessary to have the information at least at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wheelchair#Amenities">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wheelchair#Amenities</a>
before it is asked for amenities like car_wash to be completed by
wheelchair=*. Unless this is clear you only will be able to give a
rough guess and add a wheelchair:description:lang=*. This would
already be quite fine if a wheelchair user gets a precise
information about the amenity by this description tag. Even if
there are somewhere clear definitions - the final user has to know
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<p>My personal opinion is that in this case - where a streetcomplete
quest asks you to fill in undefined tags, it would also be an
adequate procedure for someone who knows something about the
subject to simply add amenity=car_wash to the wiki page and
suggest criteria, commenting that these criteria are not based on
a general consensus to reduce the ambiguity of the tag.<br>
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<p>At the moment there are 1024 amenitiy=car_wash tagged with some
wheelchair=* information. The criteria for the tagging are not
clearly defined. As far as I got it and made no mistake
nwr["amenity"="car_wash"][wheelchair][~"wheelchair:description.*"~".*"];
just gives two results worldwide. The description seems not to be
used too frequently.<br>
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<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Sebastian<br>
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<p>[nearly completely off topic: I've never used a car wash but I
know an artist who made great photographs from inside the car
during the washing procedure - I always thought that it is usual
to stay inside... at least 20 years ago... ;-) ]<br>
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