<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>TS here. Very interesting to see all this involvement in the subject!</div><div>My original proposal has been obsoleted because Payment:Cash already exists. Bottom line is that there is no change to the OSM tag system on shops etc.</div><div>The discussion then revolved around "someone bulk tagging an assumed default". That is not the way OSM is "supposed" to be used, as far as I can tell. And I hope the mechanisms in place to stop or revert such bulk alterations will do their work, indeed.</div><div><br></div><div>The logical way to use 'Payment:cash' in my understanding would be:</div><div>- Tag unused? Cash acceptance or refusal unknown.</div><div>- Tag used? (With either yes or no), Cash acceptance or refusal verified and relevant.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not in the position to say much more about it as I'm new to OSM. But most importantly, nothing was changed.</div><div><br></div><div>If some new people come to OSM to add payment:cash tags to the shops they visit, I expect no-one minds. If a new person comes to OSM and bulk adds a payment;cash=yes to all Tesco's in the UK, well that would be pretty unreliable I would say, cause before you realise a Sweden-like situation occurs where a Tesco-to-go branch stops accepting cash...</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op vr 15 apr. 2022 om 22:37 schreef Thibault Molleman via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Says you. I come across lots of towns here in Belgium that didn't have surface mappings. Nobody is magically going around and systematically mapping those things.<div dir="auto">And you can't even know what has been checked or not, if the paved ones don't get mapped </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 22:29 Philip Barnes - phil at <a href="http://trigpoint.me.uk" target="_blank">trigpoint.me.uk</a> <<a href="mailto:smkfcwsdsgpkhqkzpdvzqzcxiquwimnczxsy@simplelogin.co" target="_blank">smkfcwsdsgpkhqkzpdvzqzcxiquwimnczxsy@simplelogin.co</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Fri, 2022-04-15 at 22:12 +0200, Thibault Molleman via Tagging wrote:<br>
> But if those streets weren't marked as paved.. then how would you<br>
> have known if they were already checked or not....<br>
> <br>
In North Western Europe it is very unusual for a public road not to be<br>
paved. Local mappers are likely to have mapped the exceptions a long<br>
time ago.<br>
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Phil (trigpoint)<br>
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> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 22:00, Frederik Ramm - frederik at <a href="http://remote.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">remote.org</a><br>
> <<a href="mailto:qygoefidlhmfkyqmhyllhlltnzfmaalakfukjfxphopxl@simplelogin.co" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">qygoefidlhmfkyqmhyllhlltnzfmaalakfukjfxphopxl@simplelogin.co</a>> wrote:<br>
> > Hi,<br>
> > <br>
> > On 4/15/22 12:23, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote:<br>
> > > I think the concern is that you don't want someone bulk tagging<br>
> > > an <br>
> > > assumed default<br>
> > <br>
> > ... OR entice mappers to spend their time tagging the assumed<br>
> > default <br>
> > (even when not "bulk")! We had that with StreetComplete at one<br>
> > point, <br>
> > where StreetComplete users would hike a city and tag every single<br>
> > street <br>
> > as surface=paved or something, when instead it would have made much<br>
> > more <br>
> > sense (and less noise) to tag the 3% of non-paved streets as such.<br>
> > <br>
> > Bye<br>
> > Frederik<br>
> > <br>
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