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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/04/2022 22:56, Joseph Eisenberg
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<div dir="ltr">The problem with waterway=dock is that it is used
for several different things, only some of which are normally
areas of inland water. <br>
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I fail to see how location relates to the dock tag. <br>
"<span title="This description doesn't match the data item. Please
make them the same and remove any wiki markup. Data item
description = “An enclosed area of water for ships and other craft
within which the height of the water can be managed.”">An enclosed
area of water for ships and boats within which the height of the
water can be managed, or a dry dock</span>" applies to water,
anywhere.<br>
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<div>Recall that natural=water is used for the area of "<span>Any
inland body of water" But this is not consistent with how
waterway=dock is used:</span></div>
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"inland" is so subjective. <br>
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OSM tagging system is based on an object's description/purpose
rather than location. <br>
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<div><span>1) many waterway=dock areas are part of the sea,</span></div>
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Many are not:<br>
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In fact, all are "not part of the sea". They've all been constructed
"inland"<br>
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<div><span> because the tag is often used to tag a named part
of a harbor, such as a slip or berth or quay, or for
marines (normally tagged leisure=marina) </span></div>
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Then those areas have been mis-tagged & should be amended. <br>
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<div><span>This was not the original intention of use for
waterway=dock but it is quite common (for example, see the
usage around Venice Italy).</span></div>
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Note how all are "inland", both from the coast *and* man made, cut
out of land.<br>
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<div><span> Such areas should not get the tag natural=water
because they should be outside of the natural=coastline. </span></div>
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Not according to your examples..<br>
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<div><span>Also many are mapped only as a node because they do
not have clearly defined outer limits, but natural=water
must be mapped as an area. </span></div>
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<div><span>2) ...though they should mostly be re-tagged as
man_made=pier<br>
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Then why mention them?<br>
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<div><span>3) dry docks and floating (dry) docks are tagged
with waterway=dock and dock=drydock / floating. </span></div>
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As can water=dock<br>
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<div><span>A floating dock is certainly not an area of water,
is it like a kind of barge or vessel which is used to lift
boats or ships out of the water for servicing. And a dry
dock appears to be dry land 99% of the time in most cases.</span></div>
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For above hull repairs there's no requirement to drain the water.<br>
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<div><span> Some could be considered an intermittent water
area like an ephemeral lake or a flood control basin, but
only if the dry dock is still functional.</span></div>
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So water=dock can use the intermittent tag if desired, but it's
hardly essential - a dock, by definition, <br>
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<div><span>4) Tidal docks, which are also confusingly called
"floating" docks or harbours in parts of the UK, fit the
current definition of "</span><span>an enclosed area of
water for ships and other craft within which the height of
the water can be managed" by the use of tidal gates or
locks. This could be tagged as natural=water plus a new
tag like water=tidal_dock</span></div>
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<div><span>5) The term "dock" is also used for ship or boat
yards, which may contain dry docks but also areas of dry
land used for shipbuilding, repair and maintenance. </span></div>
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No. They're different entities. A boatyard make contain a dock, but
not the other way around. <br>
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