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What does "frontisti" mean? Google gives me "frontists".<br>
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For both your examples I would tag them as service roads with
bicycle=designated and any appropriate designation/refs<br>
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DaveF<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/04/2022 14:45, Volker Schmidt
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<div>In my area of northern Italy we have plenty of combined
foot-cycle-ways that are open open to residents' motor
vehicles.</div>
<div>Many of them will be tagged according the JOSM presets as</div>
<div>highway=path</div>
<div>foot=designated</div>
<div>bicycle=designated</div>
<div>vehicle=destination <br>
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<div>or variants thereof.</div>
<div>Combined foot-cycle-ways (no separation line between foot
and bicycle) in Italy are footways (sidewalks) on which
bicycles can circulate giving precedence at all times to
pedestrians.</div>
<div>So, yes, we have many (legally) footways on which some
motor vehicles can circulate regularly.</div>
<div>Two examples: <a
href="https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=323783199179422"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=323783199179422</a>,
<a href="https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=515992906067144"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=515992906067144</a></div>
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<div>Volker<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 at 14:25,
Peter Elderson <<a href="mailto:pelderson@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">pelderson@gmail.com</a>>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote">Nederland has increasing numbers
of cycleways and some footways where other vehicles are
tolerated as guests, i.e. have access but no rights at all. Eg
the signage says cycleway, with an undersign saying "Auto te
gast" meaning "cars are guests here" <br>
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AFAIK this guest status applies to all other motorvehicles.
Horses, I don't know. <br>
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Would this be highway=cycleway, access=yes? Or
motor_vehicle=yes?<br>
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Peter Elderson<br>
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> Op 25 apr. 2022 om 13:32 heeft Florian Lohoff <<a
href="mailto:f@zz.de" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">f@zz.de</a>> het volgende
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> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 12:13:30PM +0100, Dave F wrote:<br>
>>> On 24/04/2022 16:56, Florian Lohoff wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> So highway=footway, vehicle=agriculture is
something i have seen tagged<br>
>>> and which perfectly reflected legal state on the
ground.<br>
>> <br>
>> No, it can't.<br>
>> <br>
>> If vehicles are legally permitted along a way then it
can't be a 'footway'.<br>
>> <br>
>> In OSM a footway explicitly excludes motor vehicles.<br>
> <br>
> It does so by default - if you put access tags on there
it can. Thats<br>
> the full point. And its a very valid thing to do.<br>
> <br>
> We tag by primary usage. If its a foot/cycleway by
default and permits<br>
> usage as a track it is a very valid usage to tag<br>
> <br>
> highway=footway<br>
> vehicle=agricultural<br>
> <br>
> I have seen this a couple of times and for me it makes a
lot of sense.<br>
> And i even have seen signs with "Combined Cycle/Footway"
(German<br>
> Zeichen 240) and "Landwirtschaftlicher Verkehr frei" e.g.
"Agricultural<br>
> traffic permitted"<br>
> <br>
> highway=* is NOT about physical properties. Its about
usage.<br>
> <br>
> Flo<br>
> PS: Not that i think tagging anything with agricultural
makes ANY sense <br>
> as the farmer knows his farmland and does not care about
access<br>
> tags in OSM, he/she will not even use it. Everybody else
is not<br>
> affected.<br>
> -- <br>
> Florian Lohoff
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