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<div>As a separate line, you'd potentially have this:<br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace"><span style="" class=""><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span style="" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace">highway=* +
cycleway:*=lane + sidewalk=*</span></span></span></span></span></span> for the parts around
junctions<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">lanes are not eligible to be mapped as separate ways<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"As a single line, a normal scenario will be this: (...) <span style="" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace"><span style="" class=""><span class="size" style="font-size:13px">cycleway:*=track</span></span></span></span>"<br></div><div dir="auto">I would not suggest that mapping this as tag on road is "normal" <br></div><div dir="auto">in contrast to mapping it as a separate lines.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For the question itself, if one uses<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">highway=path segregated=yes foot=designated bicycle=designated<br></div><div dir="auto">footway=sidewalk cycleway:surface/footway:surface/surface etc<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">for separate way, then one may look at footway=sidewalk tags<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Though it does not apply where there is solely cycleway along road,<br></div><div dir="auto">where pedestrians are forbidden to use it/<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>Aug 10, 2022, 15:11 by balchen@saint-etienne.no:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>Hi everyone.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> I'm currently preparing to map a new cycle track that was recently
completed. We're lucky enough that someone has filmed this with a
drone: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sevJH7AXxU" class="" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sevJH7AXxU</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> The design manual for cycle tracks states they must be elevated from
the carriageway, and optionally with a sidewalk that is even more
elevated, and must be ramped down to the carriageway level at every
junction and be marked as a cycle lane. Also, the design manual
states that it must be placed behind bus stops.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> What this video shows is going to be a typical setup in Norway in
the time to come, so I thought I'd prepare a mapping guide for
OSM-NO.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Cycle tracks can be mapped with the carriageway on a single line, or
as a separate line.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> As a single line, a normal scenario will be this:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <span class="font" style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace"><span class="size" style="font-size:13px">highway=* +
cycleway:*=lane + sidewalk=* </span></span> for the parts around
junctions<br></div><div> <span class="font" style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace"><span class="size" style="font-size:13px">highway=* +
cycleway:*=track + sidewalk=*</span></span> for the middle parts<br></div><div> <span class="font" style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace"><span class="size" style="font-size:13px">highway=*
+ cycleway:left/right=track + sidewalk:left/right</span> </span>for
the non-bus stop-side and<span class="font" style="font-family:Courier New, Courier,
monospace"> <span class="size" style="font-size:13px">highway=cycleway + sidewalk=*</span></span>
for the bus stop-side<br></div><div> <br></div><div> As a separate line, you'd potentially have this:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <span class="font" style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace"><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace">highway=* +
cycleway:*=lane + sidewalk=*</span></span></span> for the parts around
junctions<span class="font" style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace"><br> <span class="size" style="font-size:13px">(2x) highway=cycleway + sidewalk=*</span></span> for the middle parts</div><div> <br></div><div> Either scheme is fine, depending on what mappers want to do, so that
is NOT what this question is about :)<br></div><div> <br></div><div> The downside of the second approach is we are not "allowed" to tag
the <span class="font" style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace"><span class="size" style="font-size:13px">highway=cycleway</span></span> as a track.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> The reason it would be valuable to tag <span class="font" style="font-family:Courier New,
Courier, monospace">highway=cycleway</span> as a track in this
instance is that a track has requirements for separation from other
mode types that are more similar to a cycle lane than to an actual
bike path (at least in Norway). So you'll be significantly safer on
a bike path than you will be on a cycle track, and marginally safer
on a cycle track than in a cycle lane. For that reason, it'd be nice
to know if what we have is a track or a path.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> For those who are interested, the requirement is 3 m separation
between bike path and carriageway when the speed limit is > 50
kph, 1.5 m separation when the speed limit is <= 50 kph, and
optionally separation can be achieved with a ~1 m proper fence if
there isn't enough room for those separation distances.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Compared to a cycle track, where the separation requirement is a 10
cm kerb (which is only an obstacle from the carriageway
perspective), regardless of speed limit. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> I would be much more comfortable sending my kids out on a bike path
than on a cycle track, and I'd rate the track and the lane as
practically the same when it comes to my kids. Obviously the 3 m/1.5
m/fence will keep them out of danger even if they veer or fall, but
the 10 cm drop down the kerb won't.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> So, my question is:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> How could we tag separately drawn cycleway tracks so that we know
they are tracks?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Cheers,<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Jens<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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